The Mental Funny Bone

Episode 29: Ridiculous Menagerie of Bullshit

• Gaster Girls • Season 3 • Episode 4

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Join hosts Sarah and Christine in an episode filled with laughter, nostalgia, and insightful conversations. They share humorous tales of QR code adventures, their fascination with naked cats, and childhood mischief. The episode dives into the quirks of time management, colorful family dynamics, and adventures in cursive writing. Additionally, they explore practical meditation tips inspired by Dan Harris and reflect on mindful habits, the struggle to stay present, and insights from 'Atomic Habits' and 'The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F***.' Tune in for a blend of comedy, personal growth, and everyday life reflections, guaranteed to entertain and inspire.

How to find mental health help when you're struggling. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists
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https://www.alleghenycounty.us/Services/Human-Services-DHS/Publications/Resource-Guides
Apps - Just search mental health where you get your apps.
EAP programs are a great place to look for help!!

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https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2020/12/04/mental-health-resources-2/

Sarah:

Yep.

Chris:

Hello and welcome to the funny bone, fucker. Hello and welcome to the mental funny bone. I'm Sarah. I'm becoming a gaster girl.

Sarah:

And I'm Christine and this podcast is about mental health stuff and comedy. And if the combination of comedy and mental health stuff didn't clue you in, no one here has a license to practice anything. we are not the mental health professionals. we do have a list of places where you can, get mental health, professional access. on our show notes. feel free to avail yourselves of those potential resources and join us on, the therapy train.

Chris:

choo toot. The QR code. Okay. those of you have been following the saga of our business cards. first of all, I used the wrong fucking logo. So funny bone is not spelled properly. It's spelled as one word, but it's actually two words. So that was. Mistake number one. Uh, mistake number two, I was going, I, was working on some, little design for a t shirt maybe today, and I wanted to look at the QR code, so I scanned it. And, it doesn't work because apparently I was supposed to pay something to be able to use it. Here's the problem. I don't remember the website and it takes you to a website to, to upgrade your membership to use it. So I went to that website. Luckily they offer you a free membership. So I did that, but they don't have our QR code. So that's not really the website that I actually did it on. So I went to the website. I thought I did it on and it doesn't have a account for us. So basically, we have to do new business cards and the QR code on our current business card does not work and will never work again.

Sarah:

I don't, okay.

Chris:

Yeah. Yeah. I emailed the new one that I signed up for today. I emailed them and said, Hey, here's what's happened. Is there any way that we can, reactivate this? I haven't heard back from them, but what Google is telling me is that no, they're, they won't be able to do that. so yeah, so this new website, I created a new QR code. I created new business cards. And I haven't ordered them yet though. I was also going to order a notepad that looked pretty.

Sarah:

Notepad, that looked pretty. Awesome. We're going to talk about fan mail.

Chris:

Oh, okay.

Sarah:

And, We, I think as we talk about the entertainment and a weekly catch up corner segment, we can go into how many reels I watch on Instagram or Facebook every day. And we can decide, I feel like the Instagram and the Facebook reels are the same thing. same

Chris:

I just, I, the one I watched today that you sent me of the naked cat. I, um, that's the first one I actually watched that you sent me. And that's why I sent you the message. Cause I realized how many you have sent me that I have not watched. I haven't done a great job of keeping up on Facebook lately because. I have to snooze somebody every time I get on Facebook these days and I hate do it. Like I'm just sick of doing that. So I just ignore it. So I don't really go on there anymore.

Sarah:

here's all you need to do. All you need to do, is look at Messenger and see what reels I have sent you. Because that's really your only purpose for being on Facebook now, is to feed my habit

Chris:

Okay.

Sarah:

by

Chris:

in. I absolutely loved the Naked Kitty.

Sarah:

Yeah, he was stretching. Meow.

Chris:

hmm. Yeah.

Sarah:

So for those of you that don't know, naked cats are cats with no fur.

Chris:

They're my

Sarah:

cats, I believe that they're called. these are the only kind of cats that Sarah likes. Which is weird, because they're the only cats that don't look like cats.

Chris:

because they're the only cats that no one else likes. They're the best. And I really wanted one, until I looked up like how much care they need and realize that like the reason you get a cat is so you don't have to take care of it. Like it poops in its own box. You don't really have to take it for walks and all that shit. But these cats require like a lot of work because they don't have any furs. You have to you have to moisten them. You have to moisturize them.

Sarah:

What's

Chris:

You have to moisturize them. And if you're going to, if they're going to be outside for whatever reason, you have to sunscreen them.

Sarah:

Oh my god. Okay.

Chris:

There's a lot that goes into having one of these naked cats. so instead of having a naked cat, I just like to watch naked cat videos.

Sarah:

And here I am to feed that for you.

Chris:

I appreciate it. I very much appreciate it. Sometimes they're really cute. that's the thing with them. Like it's one or the other. They're really cute or they're so disturbingly fucking ugly. And I love both spectrums of it. I truly love both spectrums of it.

Sarah:

do you recall, when we were on vacation a few years ago, there was a naked dog, not quite naked, like with just random poofs of hair on him. And

Chris:

Were there two of them or was it just one dog

Sarah:

one dog twice. up the beach and down the beach.

Chris:

They stopped to talk to us and the naked dog was sitting on my lap.

Sarah:

The naked dog was like, I found my people.

Chris:

Yeah. This

Sarah:

What's up, weirdo?

Chris:

This is my girl. And they were telling us like how they have to sunscreen the dog. that's, the dog is enough work. I guess the dog doesn't shed. So that's cool.

Sarah:

Does really? Cause I would be surprised if those little tufts of hair don't fall out.

Chris:

yeah, maybe. I feel like that's wasn't a real, I feel like it was just a sick dog.

Sarah:

I don't know. I don't know if it was a breed or if it was supposed to look like that,

Chris:

They do exist and the naked dogs do exist.

Sarah:

but, gross. That's all I'm gonna It just gross it, but it was cute that it wanted to be your best friend.

Chris:

it did. It

Sarah:

back to the reels, I sent you one earlier this week. That was a, it was a cowboy.

Chris:

yo yo. It wouldn't play for me. I couldn't open it up.

Sarah:

I don't know. A, you're, I don't know how it ended up on my thing. I don't know what I pressed to get the cowboy neon yo-yo guy, but I watched the whole thing fascinated.

Chris:

your last message to me was something like the cowboy yo yo and naked cat. And I read it as the naked yo cowboy cat. And I was like, wow, that's a lot.

Sarah:

we could, we could make that happen,

Chris:

I don't think I want to make that happen.

Sarah:

we can't do much with this podcast apparently because we can't get our business cards together. But

Chris:

we can't, we're bad at advertising. Hey to the girls at the attorney's office yesterday that took our cards. Hopefully you get to listen. Hopefully you didn't try to use the QR code.

Sarah:

think, I think you get it enough. Like you probably, people who use QR codes maybe think it's their fault. They can't figure it out. So they just,

Chris:

that's what it is. Hopefully that's what it is. They're like, wow, I'm so that, that's what I would think.

Sarah:

Right.

Chris:

I would do it and be like, wow, I'm obviously fucking stupid and doing this wrong. So I'll just go to the website or I'll just go to Apple podcasts and search the mental funny phone. I am going to guess that most of our small group of listeners are smart enough to do such a thing.

Sarah:

Yep, absolutely. And I think when they look at the logo, they're going to be like, man, the space between funny and bone is small.

Chris:

Yeah, that's what it is. They're not even paying attention

Sarah:

that logo is so small, they can't see it. Nobody can

Chris:

The new one though, the new one, the new design I have going on, it's perfect. Very little words and the words that are on there are large.

Sarah:

I adore this for us. I'm really looking forward to that. so that, that is my reels addiction. Probably going to have to get into some sort of program for that. and I am going to have to figure out why, it assumes that I'm single.

Chris:

Yeah. I don't know. I, don't know. Cause you're watching dating advice reels all the time.

Sarah:

I, they're fascinating. I was like, I didn't, I didn't realize how complicated it had

Chris:

you're single. It's like this bitch is listening to all the dating advice. So obviously she is. looking for someone.

Sarah:

I am, and all I will have to say is that I am very glad that I was finished dating before social media became a big thing.

Chris:

Amen. Amen.

Sarah:

I cannot imagine somebody going to my Facebook page and seeing that ridiculous menagerie of bullshit, and being like, yeah, we should definitely go out on a second date.

Chris:

I don't know. I can't, I'm thinking about my Facebook page right now. And I feel like, yeah, I feel like some, they would have been very, they would have known exactly what they were getting

Sarah:

Maybe.

Chris:

yeah, she's fucking crazy and funny and posts the most ridiculous pictures of herself without giving a fuck.

Sarah:

They would have been like, this bitch is never home.

Chris:

Yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah:

Accurate. all right. Other fan mail. Oh, Kim D. what up, girl? Couldn't love you, couldn't love you more. she sent us, some fan mail. Also, there's, there's been a lot of email from, Mark Manson that's all the fan mail we got, but your mom did offer us a correction for something, and I can't remember what it was. Oh. Now I remember. apparently it wasn't her idea to go to a bed and breakfast with no pool or TV in Gettysburg. it was your father's.

Chris:

Did we say it was Nita's idea?

Sarah:

I don't remember. the way she mentioned it made it seem like

Chris:

All right. We apologize, Mom.

Sarah:

definitely her thing.

Chris:

Sorry, Mom.

Sarah:

yeah, my, our bad. your dad and your mother listen to the podcast, but they listen to it at different times in different spaces, and maybe at the same time

Chris:

Yeah, that's what I think that they were in their tiny home with, in one bedroom and the other was in the other bedroom. They're slightly hard of hearing these days, so obviously it doesn't bother them that there's. Do you think that they planned it? Was daddy like, Hey,

Sarah:

Hello, Macho.

Chris:

mother. I just took him out. Owen just went outside cause his buddy's going to be here to pick him up. And I, anyway, okay. Do you think that they planned it though? Do you think daddy was like, Hey Anita, I'm going to go back in my bedroom. Hold please.

Sarah:

This is the best.

Chris:

Okay. Let's try again. Anyway, back to mommy and daddy and the podcast listening. Do they plan it? is daddy like, Hey, I'm going back in the bedroom to listen to the podcast.

Sarah:

I

Chris:

she's Oh, okay, I'll sit out here and listen to the podcast.

Sarah:

I

Chris:

and I was unaware that I was unaware that daddy was even listening to the podcast.

Sarah:

No, because I thought he was afraid to in the in the event that he did not like it. He would not be able to tell us that.

Chris:

He did say that he doesn't listen to the whole thing.

Sarah:

Oh yeah, he only gets to the point where we start making fun of him and then he turns it off.

Chris:

okay. I don't think we've ever made fun of him. I think that we've told stories about him. If he thinks that's making fun of him, then he should probably act differently. We're simply stating facts.

Sarah:

We could also remind him that nobody cares.

Chris:

Ah, yes. The awesome lesson of no one gives a shit about you.

Sarah:

Nope, nobody cares

Chris:

Can you hear Macho in the background now just hitting the button?

Sarah:

Is that what that is? Just smacking it.

Chris:

He's just smacking with his paw.

Sarah:

Oh. Oh. Poor Macho. Poor Macho. alright, so I think that's fan mail. I think that's all of our feedback.

Chris:

Love you too, buddy. Bye.

Sarah:

Your kid loves you. also, Sorry. it's been a day at work, so I feel like I have to constantly be looking at my outlook. so we can get into what we did this week. besides me sending you a bunch of reels, we took our parents to sign some paperwork. And that was fun. That was fun. we shepherd them into the building. First, I want to point out to all of our fans that I was 20 minutes early.

Chris:

Yes. Thank you. So proud of you. So incredibly proud of you.

Sarah:

The bad part about me being 20 minutes early this time is that I didn't like being 20 minutes early. I felt weird sitting in the parking lot waiting to walk in someplace. I'm gonna overcompensate the next time. And be terribly late and I

Chris:

I love, I find that funny because I love sitting and waiting. Because I know, that calms me down because I know I'm where I need to be. I don't have to worry about rushing around. I've made it. I'm here.

Sarah:

No, I can't like all of it is just very upsetting for me. I don't like it. so I was proud of myself in that. I got everyone there on time, but I just can see the pattern extending. I will never be on time. I will be 20 minutes early or 15 minutes late all the time.

Chris:

I don't be that way though.

Sarah:

unless we're going to the airport, in which case I have a spreadsheet to tell me what time we have to be there. So I can be

Chris:

so I feel like the spreadsheet for the airport, like there's a lot of steps involved in figuring out when you need to be at the airport. Whereas when you need to be somewhere else, it's pretty simple. Like I need to be there. Our appointment is at 1 30. I need to be there at 1 25. It takes me 20 minutes to get there. So I need to leave at Whatever that math is. 105.

Sarah:

Sometimes.

Chris:

In my case, I need to be there at 125. It takes me 20 minutes to get there. I'm going to leave a half hour early, earlier than I need to be there.

Sarah:

All of this makes very good logical sense. sometimes the breakdown happens at, different points in that calculation. Sometimes it is me just not doing the math right. oh, shoot, I should have left 15 minutes ago if I was going to, yeah, damn it. other times it's I should definitely leave it this time. But, My, spicy brain will start working on that problem, at 9 a. m.

Chris:

don't think you'd get to blame your spicy brain on this one because I think it's pretty straightforward.

Sarah:

pretty sure I

Chris:

Pretty, pretty straightforward. You have to be there, you have to be there, how long it takes you to get there. You add 10 minutes for traffic, you go.

Sarah:

Yeah, I get it. I really do see that this should not be a, this should not be a ADD problem, except for, I'm gonna do that, I need to start paying attention to that at 9 o'clock in the morning. regardless

Chris:

it's what you do in the day.

Sarah:

what time the appointment is. Like I will start to need to pay attention to that, but it also means that not a whole lot of other stuff gets done and sometimes that

Chris:

So you can't just like at 9am when you're looking at your calendar and you're like, Oh, I got to be there at 135. I have to leave at 110. I'm going to set an alarm for myself at 110 or at one o'clock. So I know that I'm ready to go.

Sarah:

Yeah. on my calendar, every appointment I have, when I put the appointment on the calendar gets a It gets a time for the appointment gets included inside the invitation and the time on the calendar actually says you need to leave here. and then I get a 15 minute reminder. that this is happening. And then I get a five minute reminder. my problem is that sometimes, and not all the time, sometimes I'm like, oh, 15 minutes is so much. There's no way it's going to take me 15 minutes to put my shoes on and walk out to the car because it's just not. And then I get to five minute one, I get to the five minute one and I'm like, oh, you know what I forgot? I have to, put pants on and get dressed. And Like it's not gonna take me 15 minutes to walk to the car, but I've also not done three things that then Need to be done. Sometimes that's the problem and sometimes it isn't. Sometimes I can get out the door just fine. Like yesterday I was like 1230. You need to be at your parents house at 1230 So you need to leave here at noon even though it doesn't take a half an hour to get to mommy and daddy's. It takes 10 minutes, but I sure was putting my shoes on and walking out the door at noon And I got to their place at 10 after. And we got them ready and put into the car in time for me to be 20 minutes early. So everything worked yesterday, but sometimes it just doesn't. And I don't know why I'm going to die on this hill.

Chris:

That's fine. I call bullshit, but go ahead.

Sarah:

Fair

Chris:

you keep laying down and dying on that hill.

Sarah:

This hill is the one I'm going to die on. I will do my best to be there early, but most likely I will be 10 minutes late. I have oodles of time and I read somewhere early on in Olivia's diagnosis that the way that ADD brains tell time is it's either right now or it's later, and that makes so much sense to me because 15 minutes is later, like later.

Chris:

very happy that you were early yesterday. Yeah.

Sarah:

asked me, oh, we talked about country music because your dad said, I hate country music. And then sang the Oak Ridge Boys,

Chris:

Yeah.

Sarah:

I don't like this country music.

Chris:

Yes. so again,

Sarah:

I didn't have any John Prine in the car.

Chris:

yeah, that's what it was. That's what it was. Can we get to oval, oval, ready, right? Or Peter Piper picked a Packer pecker note,

Sarah:

O. Peterson writing method.

Chris:

U. Peterson writing certificates.

Sarah:

It turns out when our parents were younger, they would have to do their P. O. Peterson writing method. And that's cursive for you younger kids. we barely learned cursive, right? Like maybe Gen X, the, what comes after us? Gen Z, then the

Chris:

don't know. Again, gen, the generations is like centuries. I don't fucking know which one I am. I literally have to Google it all the time. I know that I'm, no, I was going to say I know I'm not a baby boomer, but I don't really know that.

Sarah:

you're not a baby boomer.

Chris:

a Gen something. I'm a gen

Sarah:

might be Gen Z, Gen Z. I think it goes Gen X, Gen Z, millennials, whatever the fuck these kids are these days. I can't,

Chris:

don't know. I

Sarah:

Remember, after Millennials, I'm no good at it.

Chris:

After all of them, I'm no good at it.

Sarah:

anyway, you get your P. O. Peterson, which I'm typing into the Googles right now. P. O. Peterson Handwriting. Oh my god, there is something called it. they have, the Peterson Directed Handwriting. It's the bene it's an entire website dedicated to the benefits.

Chris:

cursive.

Sarah:

Of cursive writing. The benefits of cursive go beyond writing, according to a New York Times article. the whole purpose for us going to the attorney's office was so Nita and Jomo could sign a bunch of paperwork, like their will and all this stuff that you have to do when you get a little older. Um, your dad, I don't know if you noticed, has a little trouble holding his hand steady, so he's a little shaky. And when he tries to concentrate on it, it gets real bad, right? So he is like struggling through writing his name and your mom Has the nicest handwriting of any older lady that I know

Chris:

Yeah. And she's very concentrated and very slow in the best way possible. This is not a, this is not a shitty trait. This, her handwriting is very neat. And she does it very controlled where his daddy is all over the fucking place. But the point of it is there are these, wonderful young ladies, helping us with the paperwork. And he, as he goes to sign, looks at them and says, have you ever heard of the P. O. Peterson Certificate? And, they're like, no. And he's let me tell you.

Sarah:

and he explains it. And apparently a part of this method is, when you're getting ready to write, you make these circles, and you say, oval, oval, ready, write. And apparently the Peterson Directed Handwriting Method, the website that I'm looking at, is based on writing with a rhythm.

Chris:

Oh,

Sarah:

so that's why it's oval, oval, ready,

Chris:

Rhythm, rhythm. with the

Sarah:

Downstroke, upstroke, cross, across.

Chris:

you can make it whatever rhythm you want though.

Sarah:

Right, the oval, oval, ready, right is merely a suggestion.

Chris:

All right.

Sarah:

The difference is the rhythm.

Chris:

so that's what we talked to the attorneys about yesterday was,

Sarah:

Right, not one of these poor girls, had ever heard of cursive writing. I think maybe one of

Chris:

one, one. She learned cursive.

Sarah:

Great.

Chris:

Other than that, they were like, I don't know what you speak of, and I loved it. the one she didn't do the cursive because she was in school, in some other foreign land.

Sarah:

just, you can say it. She was in the UK.

Chris:

I don't think she said UK.

Sarah:

Pretty sure she did. Oh, I'm not getting into it again. just not, I'm not going to get sucked in to this debate. what countries are in the UK now.

Chris:

dumb, it's fucking stupid.

Sarah:

Nobody is going to be able to fool me into having listened to all the episodes of this podcast and not knowing what comprises the UK.

Chris:

So can I tell my favorite story about yesterday though? And the story is just secondhand. We get, we go for a little bit of Mexican afterwards. And, Nani comes with me and daddy goes with you. We get to the restaurant, you and daddy get out of the car. You guys are laughing like, Oh, I can't wait for this. Sit down. And apparently as you guys were on your way, Pappy was telling a story and then said, Nita, and you had to inform him that mommy was not in the car with you.

Sarah:

Dad, she's not here. And he went, what? Oh, I thought that bitch was awful quiet. What? What? This is the same man who says, we'll never have to worry about your mom and I not living independently. Okay.

Chris:

Yeah. Good times. Good times. Yeah. there's that.

Sarah:

I love it. He told another story to the girls. I think your dad likes to get out of the house and amongst people just to repeat stories, right?

Chris:

tell stories. why wouldn't you? his stories are golden though.

Sarah:

Great. What was the other one? Oh, the, the 1. 37, all you can eat Mexican food

Chris:

the notes with you? We took the notes.

Sarah:

you took the notes.

Chris:

I put them in the folder

Sarah:

Oh, yeah. No, they're,

Chris:

but I think that's it. I think it was just P. O. Peterson, oval, and then 1. 29 or 1. 59 Mexican food in San Antonio.

Sarah:

Real Mexican food too, he was quick to point out. It was in

Chris:

he was in San Antonio. So obviously it was real Mexican food. Not this fake shit that they sell at the El Campesino.

Sarah:

Shout out to El Camposino. Great service. Loved it. Delicious spot for lunch. We got our food super quick. They made you churros to order. So there we go. That's our shout out. That is the weekly catch up corner. growing up Gaster story of the week. here's,

Chris:

Hold, please. Come on, dude, really?

Sarah:

somebody told me yesterday, we should have put this in feedback or fan mail, that my voice was very soothing and they felt calmer just having talked to me. I said, darn right. Darn right. So growing up Gaster story of the week, here's what I have for you. do you remember when we were little, not little, like I was probably middle school,

Chris:

Junior

Sarah:

were, yeah, junior high.

Chris:

back in there.

Sarah:

Oh, it was definitely junior high. Definitely junior high. Like probably early junior high, like seventh, eighth grade. and you were probably late elementary school. you were mid element, like second grade. we, we would terrorize people on Similo Drive. So shout out to the Similo Drive gang. we would terrorize people around Halloween and I wasn't allowed to do any of this shit, but people would go over to the cornfield over on Blaine Hill,

Chris:

Oh

Sarah:

and they would get the dead corn.

Chris:

And do the tic tac ing.

Sarah:

And they would take the corn off the cob, and then they would run around to houses, and they would chuck the hard corn at your house.

Chris:

So did you participate in this? Because I never did. It wasn't, yeah, I don't know. Like I really never did. I don't know why. I smoke bomb somebody's house once.

Sarah:

it seems like an activity that you would have been, happily engaged in. I was too scared. I was like, no, my mom and dad will find out and I'll get in trouble.

Chris:

no. I do wonder like how easy is it? Is how easy is it? is how easy is it to get the dead corn off the cop? Cause I feel like that's challenging.

Sarah:

I don't know. I've never tried. if you guys know, if you guys have gone tick tacking, or if you've taken part in the event, that sounds like what we called tick tacking, if you took the dead corn off and chucked it at somebody's house, would it make like a ticky tacky noise on the window in the door? And then people would come and you would run away. ha.

Chris:

that what like, Yeah, I don't even know what the point of it was.

Sarah:

That was tic tac ing. you would chuck the corn and people would be like, who's throwing corn in my house? And they would come out and if you were lucky, they would yell at you and they would threaten to call the cops. And then that would be real scary and you would run away. I would imagine was the appeal.

Chris:

no, I just smoked bomb somebody's house and

Sarah:

whose house did you smoke bomb?

Chris:

Not going to say. I got, we got busted cause I hit on the side of their house because that's, I didn't take the right directive in the plan and I fucked it up for everybody.

Sarah:

oh, this is tough.

Chris:

Yeah. And that was the last time I did that. I was like, yeah, I think I'll just stick to. Hanging out in the woods and smoking cigarettes.

Sarah:

I think we'll just go to farm party. yeah, so there was the tic tac ing and there was one night where, nobody wanted to go tic tac ing, but what we did want to do was create like a haunted scene in front of, in front of the Blacks house. we had, we created. As children of the 80s will do, a scarecrow from garments that we had gone in and stolen from our own homes and stuffed them with whatever. Like we had, we were doing crafts outside. we made a scarecrow and we strung together like many rubber bands. And we would drag the scare, like we would pull it taut across similar drive. And then we would release it when a car was coming. So it would look like the scarecrow was like crawling on the ground. It,

Chris:

Where was I? I was obviously

Sarah:

in second grade, you were

Chris:

And I was probably afraid of whatever you were doing, so I was hiding inside.

Sarah:

100%. We said Scarecrow and you're like, I have to go

Chris:

No,

Sarah:

Little House on the Prairie.

Chris:

I'm gonna see Laura Angles.

Sarah:

You were like, I don't like that Nellie. She's so mean. I want to be just like her when I grow up.

Chris:

She was a cunt.

Sarah:

but we had to experiment. Like sometimes there were too many rubber bands and it got caught the one time So we had to pull it instead of it slinging itself. there

Chris:

like this is a mathematical equation. It was just begging for you to solve it. no,

Sarah:

it was all of us kids that typically hung out, there and I was like, no, you just, you have to pull it tighter. And I think somebody didn't want to listen to me and I probably got mad. but yeah, cars would slam on their brakes and we would laugh like it was the funniest thing that we had ever seen. no one's parents looked out the window not once to see what we were up to. Not even when one of us went inside to collect every rubber band. that family had, and imagine how long the chain of Rubbermaid, it took us forever. we interrupted a game of kickball to get this underway.

Chris:

I wish I could have been a part of this. I wish I could have seen it.

Sarah:

And it was after dark, like quite some time after dark, in, in October, Like we're probably out there at 8. 30, 9 o'clock, no one's coming to look for us.

Chris:

Nope.

Sarah:

I remember taking part in that and being like, see, this is what the holiday of Halloween is all about. Terrorizing, right? This is the reason for the season, if you will. it's feral children trying to cause an accident.

Chris:

Yeah, luckily there wasn't a ton of traffic on that road, so I feel like it's okay.

Sarah:

Yeah, we're fine. the,

Chris:

it must have taken a lot of patience just waiting for a car to come by.

Sarah:

And then somebody would yell. Like we sent one of the, one of the Swana kids up the street. So that he could yell car. And we could get ready. Car! Car!

Chris:

see? The shit I missed out on.

Sarah:

Yeah, for being a giant scaredy cat. and, 10.

Chris:

Yeah.

Sarah:

When the rest of us were like 14. so I feel like since it is spooky season that if anyone, is going tic tac ing, could you call me? Because I really want to go. I feel like I missed out on something and I want to, organize a tic tac ing party.

Chris:

I simply want to know the mechanics. I want to know like how, I still feel like it's, it would be really difficult to get the hard corn off the cob.

Sarah:

I, I think you just got to shake it. You just got to grab onto it and pull it off. and I feel like it, it required like a whole Like, expedition. you had to get to the farmer's field. You had to make sure he wasn't gonna get angry because I feel like that was also a place where people got caught and got in

Chris:

Oh, yeah, kids died there. I guarantee it. Kids disappeared there.

Sarah:

the farmer would catch you and it was a scene from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I'm pretty sure. which was probably, another reason I didn't go because I thought that might be true.

Chris:

yeah.

Sarah:

Plus, we had all those kids on those milk cartons back in the 80s. Guaranteed, that's what happened to like two of them. They were tic tac ing. And got kidnapped by a

Chris:

and the farmer. took them.

Sarah:

and how much did you take? Like, how much, how

Chris:

Yeah, did you take a sack? or did you just, did you go to the farm and you just took the corn cobs and brought them home and shed them? What exactly? I want to know where I, yeah, I want to know the mechanics of it. I want to know the planning involved, where it all came from, how you were carrying it. Did you just need a handful? Did you have a bag? Were your pockets full? I want to know how it all worked out.

Sarah:

Logistically, and could you in theory not just get popcorn from the store and do the same thing if you were scared of the Farmer? Because maybe that's what we'll do when we go tic tac ing

Chris:

We

Sarah:

for our

Chris:

popcorn kernels because we'll just end up throwing them at each other

Sarah:

At

Chris:

one of us will lose an eye

Sarah:

solution to an 80s party like

Chris:

Feel like it should have been a scene in stepbrothers the two of them going tic tac ing

Sarah:

My god

Chris:

each other with the corn

Sarah:

Yes, I'm in. so yeah, if anybody wants to go tic tac ing, Gaster, G A S T E R, G I R L S, at gmail. com.

Chris:

Gastergirls at gmail. com. Yep.

Sarah:

Hit us up, we'll go tic tac ing. you can also use that little fan mail button, if you're listening to us on the website. Feel free, that's fun, I like that a lot. send us a text, if you have our number, we will organize the tic tac ing. And,

Chris:

I'm in. I like it.

Sarah:

if you're the police,

Chris:

Just ignore us.

Sarah:

Sorry. we're definitely, yeah, if you're the FBI, any kind of law enforcement, we are definitely not going to do this. We're just kidding.

Chris:

Actually call us. I just, cause I just want to talk to you. Cause that sounds fun.

Sarah:

Other questions about other things. true crime is a, is an area of interest for the Gaster Girls. So if you're in the FBI, don't worry about us tic tac ing. We want to talk to you about, about the Menendez brothers.

Chris:

Yeah.

Sarah:

For sure. All right, that is, Growing Up Gaster. shall we talk about, mental health and our attempts at meditation?

Chris:

Yes.

Sarah:

Do you want to, do you want to talk about the book first or do you want to talk about meditation?

Chris:

I've decided I'm going to call meditation marinating.

Sarah:

Marination.

Chris:

Yeah, that's just, it seems right. I just, it just happened. we could talk about the book because I, we got, so last week you started, you brought up, Dr. Mark Epstein. So we finally got to the chapter with Dr. Mark Epstein and I love him

Sarah:

It's the

Chris:

I love

Sarah:

chapter.

Chris:

Yeah, I love him and Dan Harris together and Dan Harris, every fucking chapter says something else. And I'm like, Oh my God, we're the same fucking person.

Sarah:

That's why I knew you would like 10 percent happier. We just had to earn our way here. We had to build the foundation. we had to work our way up to it. yeah. Love Dr. Epstein. Love his approach to meditation. Love, pretty much everything in this chapter. Like, all,

Chris:

yeah, I like him because he's where you had the other guys who, what's his name? Toll the first one. He's yeah, I don't ever get mad or anything. and Dr. Mark Epstein is like, yeah, I try not to, but like I'm human. So it happens. Like he's like a normal human being. And

Sarah:

he doesn't layer anything on top of the meditation. It's meditation because it's good for you. And. It, there doesn't have to be any more than that. there doesn't have to be a big sense of spirituality and there doesn't have to be a big Buddhist credo to it or, whatever Eckhart Tolle was saying and Deepak Chopra, whatever they're, those guys are layering on top of the meditation to make it palatable. It's it's just meditation. It's not a big

Chris:

yeah. And you talked a little bit about, like Buddha in general, yeah, And Buddhism as far as like being a religion, but it's not really like Buddha never claimed to be a God of any sort. In fact, he was at least according to Dan Harris, I didn't do my own research, but according to 10 percent happier, he, Buddha was like, yeah, you should probably, read the shit and check it out first. And, if you dig it, cool. Like he wasn't like, if you don't follow this and follow exactly what I have to say, then you will be struck down by

Sarah:

25 virgins. It's just meditation.

Chris:

Yeah. Wow. Interesting. But yeah.

Sarah:

religion now.

Chris:

But yeah, he, so he touches upon that and it's exactly what you said. It's meditation and there's benefits to the meditation and here are the things that you could take out of meditation and here is how you can practice meditation and here's how I'm going to make it sound simple, but it's disgustingly difficult. Yeah,

Sarah:

yeah. looking at the practice of meditation, I think this is the part of the book where we finally get to the good stuff. Like where we finally get to it. Meditation being an accessible thing that doesn't necessarily have to be wrapped up in spirituality. It doesn't have to be wrapped up in, in religion. It can be just for its own sake. And I think this is the point of the book where I was like, I could get on board, like I could get on board with that. I could understand that's the thing. And I don't have to worry about being, achieving nirvana. Or, emulating the Buddha because I'm just me and I'm going to struggle to do this anyway. And the benefits of it aren't necessarily tied to all that, but that stuff is always there if you want to dig a little deeper into it. And if you want to layer on your own religion pieces on top of it, there's nothing that's going to keep you from doing that later.

Chris:

Okay. Okay. There were some things in, this jubu chapter.

Sarah:

It's my favorite.

Chris:

like saying jubu chapter, jubu. but I'm going back through my notes here because there was some stuff. The other day I read that the first note I have here is Hurricane Harris. How is, so he's talking about that Bianca, his now wife used to refer to him as Hurricane Harris every once in a while, because he's talking about coming home and just taking off like all of the suit and everything and just wanting to get into his sweatpants and how he was. Like a hurricane. Cause he just wanted to get to the next thing. and I was like, yeah, hurricane Harris. Yep. like it. anyway, so he talked about, basically like our inner dialogue where it's always, it's in a constant state of reaction. So

Sarah:

What a fantastic thing for me to get into at this perfect moment in my life.

Chris:

there you go.

Sarah:

just, FYI, Funny Boners, I'm having a bit of a rough day, and I'm not feeling my most confident today, we'll say that, for various reasons. the fact that Sarah is now going to make me talk about how mean my inner voice has been to me today is going to be, fun,

Chris:

Fun.

Sarah:

fun. We'll

Chris:

I can't say so I'm just trying to go through some of the stuff that I wrote down because I should always, and I just did this last night. Like it drives me nuts that I forget this shit and now I'm trying I'm going to gather my thoughts. another thing that Dan Harris said was the, one of the things that Epstein nailed for him, which I thought was like, Oh yeah, that's me too. was the habit of hunting around the plate for the next bite before I even tasted what was already in my mouth. Yep. Just the human tendency to continue, going from one pleasurable experience to the next without ever actually achieving satisfaction.

Sarah:

Yes.

Chris:

of these things. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, to be right.

Sarah:

do you recall a time in your life where you were like, In between things. Do you know what I mean? you had just finished doing one thing and there wasn't something else coming up and how antsy that made you feel?

Chris:

It's yeah, it's a story of my life. It is the story of my life. Like everything in this chapter that Dan Harris talked about is the story of my life. Like I have no ability to just sit and be calm, which is exactly what meditation is and appreciate the moment and what is going on around me and not thinking about something that happened in the past or what's coming in the future. Like it just. There's, I have no ability to just sit and just be, which I know sounds ridiculous, but it's always just thinking about, and to take it a step further, like there's mention of, We're, let me find it. there we go. Everything is constantly changing and we suffer because of the things that we cling to that are not going to last. so there's another step to that. Like I'm worried and anxious. Because I'm going to die in a plane crash. I'm worried and anxious because something is eventually going to happen to mommy and daddy and I'm going to have to deal with that. Notice, notice the selfishness of it. I'm going to have to deal with that. is eventually going to happen to me and I feel bad depending on what time, when it will happen to me and what happens after that. Something's there's that's constantly a point of. anxiety for me.

Sarah:

Why don't you just don't think about that?

Chris:

Super awesome. Exactly. Exactly.

Sarah:

If you just set it up so you don't think about that, Maybe leave five minutes earlier.

Chris:

I'll set a reminder. Yeah. if it was that simple, I would do it. If I could set an alarm that would make my brain stop, I would, but instead, I'll set an alarm that will make my fucking feet move to the door to get in the goddamn car to leave the fucking house.

Sarah:

They might not be equivalent. Carry on. We are not licensed medical professionals.

Chris:

Oh, fuck. Alright. there's, I have all kinds of shit written here that I can't even. Talk about, but so Dan gets to the point where he's talking to what does not, Mark Epstein and he, Mark talks about, I like that. I say their first names like we're buddies, Like Mark. talks about, the mental habits that we have and calls them, what does it like the, the comparing minds and the wanting minds. And what is the monkey mind, which is the ego. Do you remember this? Cause it's always agitated and never at rest.

Sarah:

Yeah.

Chris:

So wow, this is my, this is actually my mind. So then it, Dan Harris asks, but doesn't like letting go of all of that and just being, doesn't that lead to, I can't pronounce it, passivity,

Sarah:

Passivity.

Chris:

Yeah, that's it.

Sarah:

Good. Okay. Passivity. You just point to me when you want me to say it.

Chris:

But doesn't that lead to us that, why do we even, then why do we even bother or, in the case of, everything's going to end, then we just, we shouldn't be attached to our loved ones to like,

Sarah:

Right.

Chris:

these are all questions of these are all things that I think what am I supposed to do? Just turn myself off. I don't, I feel like that's going to lead to bad things. And then Dan starts talking about how he really started to embrace like the first, Time he really thought about embracing Buddhism and the meditation was when he was, at his wedding they did like destination wedding and it was all like, everything was just peaceful and he was living in the moment and it was great and blah, blah, blah. But then as soon as he came home, he comes home and there's David Muir on the world news, killing it. And Dan immediately goes right back into it and wow, I'm fucked. This is the end of me. There's a buddy killing it. I'm going to I'm going down like I'm never going to and I was like, yeah, that's me Like I'm super great at Buddhism When I'm on vacation,

Sarah:

For about 11 days.

Chris:

like I'm really good at it really good at it. I come home

Sarah:

I'm not even good at it that long.

Chris:

I'm sad when I get home because it's over and I have nothing left to look forward to. And then I get back to reality and my Zen is gone. So then it's time to figure it out at home. And that's where meditation comes in. Like I have to figure it out on a normal daily basis instead of just when I'm sitting on a beach.

Sarah:

Does all of that other stuff still apply? what's the point of doing the meditation if I'm not going to be able to hold on to anything? what's the point of doing the meditation if my quiet mind isn't gonna make, isn't gonna make the suffering of wanting to hold on to a state that is, right now, going to go away? do you know what I mean? what's the motivation behind it if you get stuck in that, what's the point loop? do you, did you think on that at all?

Chris:

Yeah, because it's, I thought, yeah, that's a great question, but because I don't think meditation is at least in what, how I'm starting to learn about it. Meditation is not just becoming the toll or the other guy. Like it's not like everything is, and I'm like this all the time. Tupac. I love Tupac. but that's not really. At least how I take it and what I'm learning about it. It's not really what it's not about being in that state constantly.

Sarah:

Yeah.

Chris:

I don't think it's not possible, which is what makes me. Now I'm getting into it. Like now I'm like, I can do this because I don't have to shut my brain off all the time.

Sarah:

yes.

Chris:

know that's not going to be possible for me, but being able to breathe and focus on my breathing and shut it down at certain points will be very helpful for me when I'm waiting in line to go through security at the airport. Once I start meditating and I learn how to focus on that breathing and I learn how to just be right here with me and not distracted by all the crazy that's going on around me, will help me get through those things and will help me deal with those stresses that I currently deal with. Instead of taking Xanax all the time.

Sarah:

Yeah,

Chris:

that's where I am so far I'm really fucking bad at it. And at one point Dan Harris says this shit is Diabolically hard.

Sarah:

it really is. So I remember this chapter, like I said, because this is the turning point. this is the place where I can approach it. I don't need it to be a religion. I don't need it to be spiritual. I don't need to have a connection with the wider universe. cool if that's what comes out of it. What

Chris:

need. an awakening

Sarah:

I don't need an epiphany. I, what I need is a way to pause for five seconds when I have that thought that 15 minutes is so far away and be like, hey dude, it, your brain works a little bit different. So why don't you get your spicy ass up and go put your shoes on, sit in the car for five minutes instead of dicking around here.

Chris:

Yeah, and be comfortable with that. Like I think that kind of goes Back to it, because another thing he had talked about is when I think it was one of his professors at one point had told him to never travel without a book. always have something to keep your mind occupied, to keep you moving. And. That's actually not the best thing all the time. Like you have to figure out how to just be by yourself without being entertained. don't know if entertain is the right word,

Sarah:

No, I know it. I know what you mean. actively engaged. if there's a pause in the conversation, I'm gonna pick up my phone.

Chris:

exactly. and like last night, like I was saying, I tried to meditate last night and got really frustrated because I'm so bad at it. So what did I do? I went in the living room and played a stupid game on my phone for like hours and ignored my husband because I was annoyed and then spent money for the game because I'm an asshole and the whole night and I ended up feeling like a big piece of shit at the end of the night.

Sarah:

Right.

Chris:

so that's how meditation went for me last night. But this morning, I got up, I did my Peloton walk and then I did five minutes of Peloton meditation. I did really good for 10 seconds and then my mind went over there and then I reeled it back in and started focusing on in and out and then I was wondering about, okay, nope. We come back. Like it's yeah, it

Sarah:

why do I put eggs in ravioli meat? No, that's not what we're doing right now.

Chris:

so many stupid fucking things that and not even fuck like stupid things like I This morning I was thinking about work and then I'm thinking breathe But in the back of my head while I'm thinking focus on your breathing. I'm having a secondary thought of what's happening so It's, again, it sounds easy, like just say breathe just in and out, but I'm saying in and out, but there's a secondary part back there. it's like right here that

Sarah:

I don't think so. It's more of like right here.

Chris:

right here. wherever the,

Sarah:

the, right here. It's underneath the ear.

Chris:

it's a real bitch is what it is. So that's what you just have to keep bringing it back and bringing it back and bringing it back. And this morning I felt much better about it because I got about 15 seconds that I felt was strong out of that five minutes. And it was a whole hell of a lot more than was last night.

Sarah:

Yeah, it, the point where I can actively have some control over, over my thoughts, I think is a little bit ways away, right? my thoughts are still gonna be pretty effed up, for, and the idea that this will give me the ability to, Take that, take that heartbeat and be like hey, your immediate next thought is going to be that you're a piece of shit and when that happens I want you to recognize that's a thought, that's a valid thought, that thought is a garbage thought and you just let that go. It's like why are the eggs in the ravioli? Nobody gives a shit.

Chris:

Doesn't matter. Move on. And then say, I

Sarah:

reality. This is not a thought you're going to hold on to and burrow down into. This is a thought of, yeah, geez, you screwed that up. that's not going to kill you. That's not even going to get you fired. That's going to make you uncomfortable for about 15 minutes while you talk to somebody about it. So take that,

Chris:

we go.

Sarah:

look at it. And the only way to get from here to there is to do the five minutes at a time.

Chris:

Yeah, just start out

Sarah:

the only way.

Chris:

and a little bit at a time and you're working towards mindfulness. So you're allowed to have, you have the thoughts, but so you can recognize what's happening around you without letting it carry you away.

Sarah:

without getting on the

Chris:

control you.

Sarah:

phone with your sister and being like, I'm a dirtball and no one will ever like me or love me and I, my worth is completely shit because somebody called me a bad name at work. Idiot.

Chris:

You moron,

Sarah:

and then having that

Chris:

think that, I think a part of it is also giving yourself grace, recognizing it and saying, okay, I'm allowed to have that thought, but it's time to move on. It's time to move on. I'm not going to let that weigh me down. I'm going to breathe. I'm going to go back to just focusing inside, breathing, move on. And the other thing I was like, fuck this. I'm never going to be able to do this because he was talking about like embracing the discomfort or being, I know I put it in my notes, impartially witnessed the discomfort and he was referring to like itches. When you're sitting there like not itching them. I was like, whoa, whoa time the fuck out Is that really part of this because if I got an itch i'm itching

Sarah:

huh.

Chris:

so i've got a ways to go I've got a ways to I think it's gonna be super helpful, and while I still feel like it's going to be diabolically hard, which is something I'm going to continue to say forever, I still think that it will be very beneficial. and just anything else, it's, it's training. I don't know, like I think it was something similar mentioned in the book, maybe but you think about a dog, like when I got the dog, I wasn't like, Hey, you have to go outside when you have to pee and expect him to do that immediately when he's eight weeks old, It takes training when I, I couldn't look at him and go sit and him immediately sit and know what I was talking about. Like it takes practice just like everything else. You can't just be, it's not just, you flip a switch and you're going to be great at it.

Sarah:

This is why we had to read Atomic Habits first. And this is why we had to read The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck first. So that we can, I think we stumbled onto exactly the right order for these things.

Chris:

I think we

Sarah:

because, you think about back in the, and I'll probably wrap us up like this every single week while we go through this meditation piece and try to like square things away. It, you think back to when we first started the subtle art, I was like, Oh, values. That's going to be important because you got to pick what you're willing to suffer for and you got to pick what's important. And that's what, what to. I'm not going to be okay spiraling on, I'm not going to be okay spiraling about my feelings getting hurt at work. I'm, because that's not my value, right? That's not the, being a big shit at work isn't the value. Doing a good job and being able to look in the mirror and say, you, you did a good job, that's the value. Doing the meditation, doing the work, and being able to have a clear enough mind to take that step and to say, hold on. get back to your value. Get back to the thing that's important to you. Get back to the thing that you actually give a fuck about because it is not the thing that you are spiraling out of control about right now. So let that shit go. Let that shit go and pick something else to be obsessed about. Like how am I going to set an alarm 15 minutes before I have to leave everywhere? Because apparently it's just that easy to be on time.

Chris:

Fuck yeah it is. Fuck yeah it is.

Sarah:

Who knew? But the building on

Chris:

send me your schedule and I'll just start calling you when you should be leaving

Sarah:

you need to put your shoes on.

Chris:

Yeah, you have to leave in an hour. So what do you where do we stand on getting ready?

Sarah:

I'm by the door. I'm just standing by the door.

Chris:

cuz that's what would happen. You would just fucking lie to me

Sarah:

Definitely. That's why I don't have you on Life 360.

Chris:

Yep.

Sarah:

But back to the shit, like everything kind of ties together and I think the really hard part as we're going through, like being able to control the brain is being able to find that thing to tie it back to. And I think the more clarity you can get in your head, the easier it is to get to. back.

Chris:

and it's hard

Sarah:

you go. and it is fucking impossible, and the people that can do this have very lovely, successful lives, and they are living their values every day, and they are enjoying the shit out of things. So that is the great reward.

Chris:

And that's what, I feel like these people have worked for it. I feel like they have, they've put in time and they've, and that's why I appreciate Dan Harris so much because I feel like he's, he's my Dr. Mark Epstein. he's the one who's like showing me like, Oh, wow. You and I are like the same. If you can figure this the fuck out, I can figure this the fuck out. there was another part, I made note of it. I'm not even going to look at it though. But he was talking about how, Mark was talking about how, like from the introverted side of things, like he was looking to find that he existed, that he mattered and Dan Harris was looking at it from the extroverted side of things, like he's lived in a world that he thought was just always about him. Like I have to find the exact

Sarah:

I know exactly what quote you're talking about.

Chris:

yeah, what did he, oh, okay. again, here's, here's my notes. Again, I am Dan Harris. while Mark thought he was unreal or empty or didn't matter, Dan and I thought from childhood that the whole world was laid out for our benefit and nothing happens out of our lines of sight. Introvert versus extrovert. And Dan asked him like, we are so opposite. How is this going to work for me? Like it worked for you. And he said, Mark said, that's, what's great about it is it can work for the introvert and for the extrovert. It can do the same things for each of us in different ways.

Sarah:

I, I loved that part too because I can see introvert and extrovert and I can see me and you and I can see like a path forward that, that gives us both what we need. Cause I think I'm much more of, I need to not be invisible. I need to have a place in this world. Not necessarily that this isn't all laid out for me. Like I could see the two of us reflected in that statement in a way that, that kind of melted my heart when I read it. I was like, oh

Chris:

said for the longest time. When I realized it, but I always say like I'm still trying to work out why everybody doesn't fucking agree with me I'm still trying to work out that things aren't why isn't everybody just doing what the fuck? I want them to do what I don't understand.

Sarah:

Right.

Chris:

I'm still I'm always so I think it's definitely, I thought that was another cool thing and another thing, one more thing, because I, we need to wrap up because I have to get going. but the last note I took was you can be aware of things without judgment or without ego. And my next, the next thing I wrote was really, because I'm fucking judging all of the time. I'm judging others. I'm judging myself like constantly. Not only am I doing that, but I'm judging others for judging. Yeah.

Sarah:

this is gonna be fun. yeah, and I think, like, how great that this silly little podcast idea that we had would be the thing that gets us to do the hard stuff. Like, how fucking amazing. How fucking amazing. And,

Chris:

just wanted to sit around and be funny, and then, you know what happened? Dan fucking Harris happened. That's who happened.

Sarah:

God bless him. I think the appeal of Dan Harris and the reason Dan Harris draws so many people in is because he's so relatable and so approachable and you and I are like that only for two really different reasons, right? Like you're you, I'm me, we're really close and we're almost the same but opposite in lots of things.

Chris:

Yeah. Exactly.

Sarah:

I love it. I love everything about what we're doing. And before I let you sign off, I'm going to tease everybody and tell you guys, we've got two, two episodes of bare bones banter. one of which will release next Friday. So look for that. And then, the other one, we've got a little bit of editing to do. We went a little bit hog, hog, crazy on that one. that one was a, was an emotional rollercoaster journey. not that,

Chris:

a journey I'm going to continue next week.

Sarah:

Nice. I am so excited. yeah, so tune in for some of that for you guys that really liked the interview format where we dig into, how we accomplish one of the goals of this podcast, which is to make it easier for us to talk about, mental health issues, make it easier for us to talk about diagnoses and find ways to support each other while we all go through the shit.

Chris:

Or just yelling at each other to do what I fucking tell you to do.

Sarah:

whichever way, whichever approach you want to take. Really, it's up to you, listener. Boners, it's up to you. Find your place in this world or tell people to get the fuck out of the way. You choose your own adventure.

Chris:

Oh, Alright.

Sarah:

Love you.

Chris:

Love you. Bye.

Sarah:

Love you, bye.

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