The Mental Funny Bone

Episode 27: Conferences and Airplanes

Gaster Girls Season 3 Episode 2

Fan Mail Goes Here!!

In this lively episode of 'The Mental Funny Bone,' hosts Sarah and Christine blend comedy with candid discussions on mental health, reminding listeners they are not professionals but recommending legitimate resources. The duo shares hilarious anecdotes from their lives, such as attending a concert and an unexpected encounter with an acquaintance. They humorously navigate through personal stories, like revisiting childhood trips to Gettysburg and dealing with nostalgia, all while emphasizing the importance of community and support during emotional lows. The hosts delve into Dan Harris's book '10% Happier,' discussing his journey towards mindfulness despite his disdain for organized religion and his relationship with spiritual guides. They wrap up with personal reflections on seasonal depression, advocating for self-care and social interaction as key coping strategies.

How to find mental health help when you're struggling. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists
https://washingtoncountyhumanservices.com/agencies/behavioral-health-developmental-services
https://www.alleghenycounty.us/Services/Human-Services-DHS/Publications/Resource-Guides
Apps - Just search mental health where you get your apps.
EAP programs are a great place to look for help!!

Additional Resources (Sports Related):
https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2020/12/04/mental-health-resources-2/

Sarah:

Welcome to the Mental Funny Bone. I'm Sarah.

Chris:

and I'm Christine, this is a mental health comedy podcast. And if the word comedy in that didn't clue you in, we are not mental health professionals. we do offer you a links to some mental health professionals in our show notes. Also, if you are having a crisis and you need someone to talk to, Please use any telephone and dial 988 and that will get you to somebody who can help you. also we love you and we want you to get help. So don't, that part isn't the comedy part.

Sarah:

Yeah, no. That's like the for real part. we're a little comedy, a little for real. That's how we roll up in here.

Chris:

Right.

Sarah:

Yeah.

Chris:

hi, are you silently correcting my grammar?

Sarah:

Oh, no, I just, I like, that's my favorite.

Chris:

your, that's on. I

Sarah:

I am still a little echoey, so I really hope that's not going to come through. You're welcome.

Chris:

mean, mine's echoey cause I'm in a hotel room again.

Sarah:

no headphones on

Chris:

right there.

Sarah:

I have okay, so we're gonna so I'm carrying today So hold on let me try something.

Chris:

can I tell them why you have to carry us? Because I was out,

Sarah:

be changed. Okay. Go ahead

Chris:

because I was out at a company dinner until 11 last night, it took us three hours to eat

Sarah:

thing What I was gonna say, I think the more important thing to note here is that the dinner didn't start until 8 p. m Sleepy I sleepy that's sleepy time for Sarah

Chris:

Who does this? And I will say that the one, the one guy that came with us, Yakimo, Yakimo. So if you're listening, thank you so much for listening to the podcast. And Yakimo was about eight years old.

Sarah:

Oh, Yakimo. Eight year old Yakimo. Wasn't he in, that TV show, Perfect Strangers?

Chris:

no, that was a balky

Sarah:

Oh, okay. I feel like it's the same.

Chris:

it might be. He was a, he was from Italy and then he had, he moved to Chicago. So Yakima had the tiniest little new mustache and, and he was just. And then he was telling, my colleague Nicole and I about how he went skiing in the Alps. And he was like, Oh, you have to follow the sun. And I was like, Yeah. It like, He was like, so you start off in Italy, you start off in Italy and then, Italy. And then, and then you end up, you, in the afternoon you ski in France. And then, sometimes you also ski in Switzerland. So that's what happens when you go skiing in the Alps in the same day. And I was like, dude, we have the same thing. if you take your pontoon boat to confluence, you can be in Pennsylvania and then you can boat right on over into Maryland. Same lake.

Sarah:

Okay.

Chris:

he was like, that's. was like, yeah, it's 364. Sometimes I know it's different because that's, those are states and those are countries. I'm like, do you have to go through customs? Like, how do you ski through customs? There's a, there's

Sarah:

there, there's a place. I know I've seen the picture on Facebook that you're on a trail. And right there where you're standing, you can act, if you do a little twister action, put a hand here, a foot here, another hand here, you are in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and another state that's around us. West Virginia.

Chris:

Yeah. I think we should, I think we don't talk enough about these things when we're with our international friends. We let them take all the credit.

Sarah:

don't talk enough about geography.

Chris:

This is a mental health geography podcast.

Sarah:

why. Again, if you're just tuning in, I know zero about geography. I'm lucky I can find Pennsylvania on the map.

Chris:

We like the fact that Switzerland touches Italy also would be confusing for me.

Sarah:

a clue. Not a clue.

Chris:

was like, does

Sarah:

a clue. I

Chris:

to come back at 11 o'clock and look up a map. I was like, oh, I see.

Sarah:

feel like this has gone to my kid though. Like

Chris:

yesterday, we were up

Sarah:

the North Hills, for soccer in the morning and he had to be in Penn Hills by like lunchtime for, hockey. So I said, all right, we're not going to go home. We're just going to eat breakfast up in the North Hills and then we'll head up. Or to Pennhills, he was like, I don't understand like not going home because that's the same amount of time, like it would be another half hour to get home, and then it would be still 45 minutes to get there. It's going to take us 45 minutes to get there from here.

Chris:

Oh, man. It's

Sarah:

And he was like, that doesn't make sense. We just drove. I don't know. up. if we drove up a half hour and we have to go down 45 minutes, I was like, but we're not really going down 45 minutes. And we didn't really go up. This is the conversation that we had. Yep. And I said, don't worry about it, buddy. Let's just eat our pancakes. He's 15.

Chris:

Olivia and I went to soccer camp at Bethany she was 14 ish. And, I was like, okay, here's a map of campus. Now, the cafeteria is temporarily located in the elementary school building, which is by the post office. And she was like, got it, please don't be stupid mom. and then she called me and she's Hey, we're lost.

Sarah:

We'll figure it out. You thought I was so dumb. I'm not really sure what I can do to help you now.

Chris:

just keep walking until you get to a building that looks like a post office. And then there's another building behind that looks like an elementary school. So it's Bethany. It's not

Sarah:

No, but here's the thing is she was like, what's. What's a post office? And then, I guarantee what the elementary school looked like in Bethany is not what an elementary school looks like to kids nowadays.

Chris:

want my headphones to be charged and they're not. Sorry. Also, if you guys want to see what my hair looks like before I fix it. You gotta tune into YouTube, cause it, I look like a, I look like a fluffy doggie. Hello, fluffy doggie. Yes. Okay, what are we doing? What's happening?

Sarah:

you were gonna let me drive, but that hasn't happened yet.

Chris:

Oh, sorry, carry on. I have no ability to do

Sarah:

I know you don't. I know it's actually entertaining. It is entertaining because I feel like In life, this is one of those things where you say, I'm the one who takes

Chris:

takes a little control.

Sarah:

saying, I'm just saying,

Chris:

I'm fine. Look, I'm gonna pick, Look, quiet. Quiet.

Sarah:

loving it. Okay. We're going to go to fan mail. Here is, here's something for you. says fan mail. It's in an envelope fan mail to the gas or girls. We have actual fan mail that was delivered to the house.

Chris:

That's the way.

Sarah:

because it's from my husband. It wasn't actually delivered to the house, it was just delivered to my desk. And Noah doesn't really like technology. email.

Chris:

He is old school. He is a 55 year old. No, I've said 55

Sarah:

That's your husband. and that's your husband. Yes, he's 48. he's going to be 48 in 13 days.

Chris:

realize you robbed the cradle.

Sarah:

that?

Chris:

I didn't realize you robbed the cradle.

Sarah:

How old do you think I am?

Chris:

Oh no, you're not the same age as me.

Sarah:

Okay.

Chris:

This is why you have to carry today.

Sarah:

wow. Okay,

Chris:

Fan mail. Do it.

Sarah:

Let's get it. Wait, it's even better because look, it's stapled on the sides, hold on, which look, it has staples.

Chris:

not an envelope, it's

Sarah:

stapled it like, oh no, it was in an envelope and he stapled it like you've made us a book and you put a wiener on the front of it.

Chris:

Why? looks like a jello mold.

Sarah:

Yeah, it does. It really does. Because he wanted to let us know that he's now a funny boner.

Chris:

Oh. I'm doing

Sarah:

So just so everybody knows, Noah has not, Obviously he has now, but up until two weeks ago, he had not listened to one of our, one of our episodes, nothing. fairly certain he wanted nothing to do with it. Anyway, he now loves us and tells everybody about us. and so here's what we got. let's see. Just making sure I could read everything on here. to the gastrogirls, 26 weeks, that's going deep for a podcast. Keep it up. I will try to as well. sorry. Could not find two potatoes to give as a gift. But just knows sissy. I know what to give you for Christmas. I keep up the great work. Love you guys Uncle Noah and Sarah's husband Food for thought he's given us a couple points here.

Chris:

Okay, yes. Thank you.

Sarah:

The first time I had to ask about cuz I was like, I don't understand what you're talking about He said don't assume several remarks stated were not true And I was like, And he said, like Sarah's memory. And I thought maybe he was sticking up for me, like saying Sarah's memory is better than aunt Sissy's. And I was like, interesting. what was that about? He said, no, you, he said, aunt Sissy started to say something and you caught her off and said that you, that she had already told this story and she didn't tell that story yet. I was like, fuck you then. All right, fine.

Chris:

We can't get back to this.

Sarah:

And I was like, what story was it? And I think he said it. And I was like, no, she definitely told that story already. So I didn't, I wasn't listening to him anyway. let's see. Number two, mix up when you talk about certain subjects, like how you mixed up the intro. So I, I don't know exactly. I should have asked. I only asked about the first one.

Chris:

it good or bad? do you want us to?

Sarah:

Yeah. I think that he wants us to talk about different. I don't know. Anyway,

Chris:

have a format. We have a format, because if we don't, then we get on here and we get confused.

Sarah:

think, I think maybe he wants each of us to, I don't know. Okay.

Chris:

Just ask

Sarah:

He's gonna listen to this. So we'll let him tell us. three, chicken.

Chris:

Oh.

Sarah:

Apparently I never shared the chicken story with him before.

Chris:

Oh. Oh.

Sarah:

Yeah, chickens. The chicken. What our mom calls Yeah.

Chris:

personal parts.

Sarah:

said, we'll not share my thoughts on that. So not sure why I gave it a point, but I like it. and, yeah, the four is just, I'm a funny boner for life. hopefully in a short time I'll be able to help with merch. Pray for me.

Chris:

Amen.

Sarah:

looking for a new, he's looking for a new job.

Chris:

hope his boss doesn't listen.

Sarah:

is listening and maybe not as boss, but the company that he works for can suck a dick. Speak of suck a dick. hold on. Let's finish up with fan mail. Did you have any other fan mail?

Chris:

I am at a industry conference and I had mentioned the podcast at the last industry conference I was at, handed out a couple of cards and, almost everyone that I've talked to has mentioned the podcast in some way.

Sarah:

we go.

Chris:

the one guy is a big deal at a big deal company. And, he was like, how's

Sarah:

I like a big deal at a big deal company.

Chris:

he's Ron Burgundy. He was wearing a pink blazer yesterday. Cause it was Sunday

Sarah:

I was.

Chris:

we were working and I was like, I like your pink blazer. He's it's Nantucket red. And I was like, I

Sarah:

There's so many things that just went through my mind.

Chris:

I was like, Oh, of course it's Nantucket red. My, my bad. You picked it up while you were on the Cape. Obviously.

Sarah:

Yeah. Yeah.

Chris:

Anyway,

Sarah:

I love that. I love that. We also, I shout out to Ryan. I'm not sure if you saw the email. So we talked about Ryan and Shauna, a few weeks back, my friends and, Ryan said that someday he was going to email us. he sent us an email and said, it's someday. Yeah.

Chris:

our fans are so funny.

Sarah:

So I love it. And, he had mentioned a few things, just some fun stuff about us. Ryan and Shauna and a few other friends. We, we had a bag of cookies from something that we kept passing back and forth, hiding at each other's houses. it was very funny the one time came home from work and mommy was watching Owen and mommy was like, there's something weird on the deck. what are you talking about? And I looked out and it was cold outside, so I didn't really want to go out. And it was just laying there like under the table. And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, is that a bag of chicken cutlets? what is that? It looked really weird. Anyway, they had taped the bag of cookies under the, our outside furniture. I have no clue how long they were there, but they eventually fell off.

Chris:

a, like an egg sack?

Sarah:

Yeah. like just taped it up there and then it fell off. And these cookies were passed around. I don't know how long, let's just say months, probably longer than that. not sure what is, we should never eat cookies again because there is so much shit in those cookies. Like these were like homemade cookies too, so I'm not really sure. Anyway, they never discolored. Like they still always look the same. Makes me nervous. anyway, Ryan had a 40th birthday party and I made him a nice little collage of something crafty and glued the. The cookies to the collage of things. So that's how that ended. Yeah. Anyway. And we really like, we like ribs, that group of friends and Ryan once wore a shirt to our house that said, did you poop today? And I got drunk and wanted to talk another friend into going to DJs for, ribs the next day and made a song out of, did you poop today? And if you didn't, you need to go to DJs. it was extremely entertaining.

Chris:

Weirton.

Sarah:

It's not far from us.

Chris:

right. Yeah, it isn't. now that I think about it,

Sarah:

yeah, I'm gonna poop today. You are gonna poop today. If you don't poop today, you gotta go to DJ's. And I was drunk, could barely open my eyes when I was singing it. It was great. Great. Okay. Anyway, so thanks Ryan. Thanks for listening. Continue to listen. I love that it's someday and shout out Shana, your husband beat you to the emails.

Chris:

come on, let's get it together.

Sarah:

now go to, our weekly catch up. Is that, was that what it is? Every time I say catch up, I think of Heinz, catch up corner. so we went to a concert this weekend

Chris:

We did. We did. Oh, and it was amazing. I don't know if it was the three beers that I had before, toad, the wet sprocket came on, but I was. wasn't even annoyed that they didn't play only the songs I know.

Sarah:

You were fun, Christine.

Chris:

I feel like I can be fun without drinking three beers.

Sarah:

Oh, she's definitely fun without drinking three beers for sure. But this was like a next level, probably one of my most proudest sister moments ever.

Chris:

I was in a mood. and David and I were discussing it and it turns out, I had taken my Vyvanse a little later. So right when, right when things were happening was right when, I was, coming down. was,

Sarah:

So how do you want to how do you want to set the story up? Do you want to do you want to tell the beginning? What do you want? Do you just want me to tell it? Do you want to go ahead?

Chris:

I'll just set it up maybe. And then you slam dunk it. so we were at a concert full of old people to be fair. and that's okay because as we age, it's still fun for us to listen to live music. this concert was in a casino. So if you're familiar with the Pittsburgh area, we were at the rivers casino and a Casinos are just interesting places for me. It's such a weird cross section of humanity. there's college kids. There's, there's all socioeconomic, slices. there's people in.

Sarah:

like like people watching at Century 3 and Kennywood It's on the list of top three places, which would be Kennywood Century 3 in the Rivers Casino to watch people

Chris:

It is just great. And you can smoke in there like smoke cigarettes in there and it smells like it. when I got home, I was like, what is, oh, that's just from being at the casino

Sarah:

just from walking through the casino,

Chris:

so the concert is essentially like a conference room. at at the casino. there's a place where you do your tickets. and then it's just like line after line of chairs. in fairness, it is a flat kind of a venue. So

Sarah:

but it's still a concert. It's a concert. And when I say concert, I'm not saying symphony or orchestra. It is a concert. I don't want to say rock concert, but that's, it's a concert. It's a concert with fun, dancey music.

Chris:

these are bands that I used to, I used to jam to Toad the Wets Brocket. I was like in tune. That guy sang to my soul. When I was in college, like walk on the ocean is a, is an anthem for spring break 1995. And these boys were up there playing. And I have to say, I don't remember the hotness of the lead singer of toad, the wet sprocket,

Sarah:

not at all. not at all. but then it, did you Google pictures of him? Because I was like, I don't know. I feel like he's just really that hot when he's on stage. Still a good looking dude. I wouldn't chase him out of my bedroom, but I totally would chase him out of my bedroom. I have to watch what I say now that Noah's listening.

Chris:

if he, what, like a fine wine, like he, wow. Wow,

Sarah:

And

Chris:

that's

Sarah:

he looks a good 15 years younger than both of us, which is disturbing.

Chris:

He is at 35.

Sarah:

not 15, but at least 10.

Chris:

stayed 35 for 35 years. so when they started playing, we stood up because it's a concert and social clues should have told us that we were the only people out of the entire venue of people, except for two ladies behind us that were standing, but I was making eye contact he was singing directly to me.

Sarah:

but here's the thing social cues. Fuck that shit. It's a concert. It's a concert. They were singing a song I knew I wanted to sway or give a little bebop to it. I wanted to give my Knee the little slap

Chris:

wait, I'd add three beers, not small beers, three pretty big size beers, six dollar casino beers. So that is the bonus of it being in the casino is that the beers are cheap.

Sarah:

and we get to do what, and we do what we want. I'm not going to do whatever everybody else is doing. I'm at a concert and I'm going to stand up and I'm going to stand up. And if someone stood up in front of me and I didn't want to stand up, I would have been like, fuck, I can't see. But I would have also said, I'm at a concert, so I have to deal with that.

Chris:

Figure out if I'm going to stand up or not. And to be fair, if you can't stand up, there are seats up front for you.

Sarah:

There's so many things you could do here.

Chris:

They sell them. Um, so then a lady, lady and

Sarah:

It was a guy for me that were two guys that were two different and a guy, a gentleman. Yeah. Anyway, go ahead.

Chris:

They came and told us to sit down

Sarah:

Yeah at the concert.

Chris:

at a rock concert, rockish concert. And, and I sat down because I am the way that I am. And I didn't want to, didn't want to break any rules. but like three, two songs later, the, the people in the band, because they want the audience to enjoy the themselves, they were like, these songs sound better if you're standing.

Sarah:

right, Mm hmm

Chris:

it

Sarah:

me and Sissy and Aaron, my other friend who's with us, turn around and we're like, yeah. that's what Aaron and I did. Aaron and I were like, yeah, I feel like I, I failed myself cause I didn't say yeah motherfuckers or something like that. Like I just said yeah and pointed at everybody. because at this point we knew that the security told us to sit down because there were some asshole behind us that was complaining. So we. We pointed them out. except for my sister took it just bit further. And, Aaron and I turn around and give everybody a yeah. And sissy turns around and says, security with a double middle fingers. Just like this. Hey security suck a dick. My heart grew a thousand sizes. I couldn't speak for a minute. I was I couldn't and I don't remember anything that happened after that The rest of the time toad was playing I enjoyed the shit out of it But every few seconds I would just have to start laughing Aaron's what are you laughing at? And I'm like, I can't believe she did that I can't believe she did that. that's me. That's something I do. That is an asshole thing I do.

Chris:

just felt right. I don't know. I just, I was in the moment. I was 20, was 24 again.

Sarah:

It was the best thing that has happened in a while. and I know my, some people might be like, wow, really? That's that's, yes. Yes. for my sister to just let it go like that was wow. Then we come out like during the intermission and your husband was like, who said, suck a dick to security I said, that's your fucking wife. He was like, I thought so, but I then I thought I couldn't be her. Like it had to be Sarah. Of course it had to be Sarah. I was like, Nope. Definitely your wife. Definitely your wife. Yep. Yep. Aren't you proud? I'm proud. I can't believe it. I'm so proud. Then i'm like in line getting beer and telling the story to strangers who don't even know you.

Chris:

Awesome. Awesome.

Sarah:

understand my sister. My sister doesn't say shit like that. Like I mean at least like out loud to people in public like

Chris:

I say it quietly.

Sarah:

amazing. amazing. and while I was telling that story, I am telling the story and, two people come up to me and they're like, Hey, aren't you, one of the hosts of the Mental Funny Bone? And I was like, say what? Oh my God, I'm famous. I was like, no way. No way. and like I, I'm looking at the Girl. A little bit more intently and I was like, really, you know me from something else. There's no way you just know me from the mental funny boat and I'm looking, looking at both of them and I'm Cracking. I'm dying. I'm having a heart attack. And then I look and I look at the guy and I'm like, wait a second. Yeah, it was Jay Yep. Oh, shouldn't say the last name. It was Jay. our cousin.

Chris:

Jay,

Sarah:

you'll have to you have to bleep out the last name, I don't know. I don't know how

Chris:

I'll just, erase it so it sounds weird right now because no one will hear it. Jay,

Sarah:

Yeah, so anyway, Jay and Megan.

Chris:

up guys? Thanks for listening.

Sarah:

Thanks for listening. I'm not sure Megan listens because she was like, do you really host a podcast?

Chris:

Right. I'm not sure Jay listens either.

Sarah:

I Jay's the one who knew so He had to listen to it like a half an episode

Chris:

put

Sarah:

or just saw it on Facebook. regardless We I was famous for a 30 seconds there and was really happy and then the people I was talking to they were like wait You host a podcast. I was like, I sure do. here's a business card. Check it out Don't look at that logo cuz funny bone is spelled incorrectly.

Chris:

Bad at editing. Um, oh, I would, speaking of Jay, I would also, I would also, to give a quick shout out to, to Jay Wilprint and his lovely wife, Karen.

Sarah:

Oh, yay

Chris:

my eye doctor, so I went to the eye doctor, and if you guys live near, Pittsburgh, Washington to be specific, and you would like to get your eyes, looked at, by someone who is, adorable. And funny and, just really takes care of the patients. So if you don't want to go to one of those places, it just turns you through, I highly recommend I works optical, Dr. Karen will take care of you. And I will put her the link to, to their stuff in the show notes. they're good, solid people.

Sarah:

do they listen? Does Karen listen? you asked?

Chris:

J is a bit behind, this is also what I'm finding that the people are like, you do it every week. I was like, yeah, we're putting a lot of shit out there. We don't want you guys to forget

Sarah:

Yeah. You can't. You have to turn out. we've read shit. I read one thing that said you should release at least once a week.

Chris:

you gotta be consistent. so yeah, I think she does, because, I feel like she would love to hear your, your take on things. I feel like you guys were, BFFs for a bit at a homecoming.

Sarah:

were, excuse me. and this is why I asked because she was really into us doing a podcast. so I was just wondering if it was living up to her expectations. Karen, if you're listening, if you could send us some feedback, what do you want us to do? I know you wanted us to do something like, what remodel the house. what house Sigma Nu, and invite, Who were they? Chip and Joanna. We, she wanted us to do a little chip and Joanna, which I was all, all for. However, that's a lot, that's a lot, that's a lot more than just sitting here in my office and doing a podcast.

Chris:

Homecoming is October 12th, I think, So we could go down. the Sigma Nu chapter is, starting up again. So they're going to have, college boys living in that house.

Sarah:

is the house pretty again? I don't, I'm not sure it was ever pretty, but, because I can't see, think fraternity houses are ever pretty.

Chris:

I think if you go to, a big school on a big campus, then it

Sarah:

still feel like that's never pretty.

Chris:

All right, my lighting is so bad now. Fucking

Sarah:

Oh, it's perfect. It's great. Fucking son. Go away, son.

Chris:

God damn it. Hold on,

Sarah:

away.

Chris:

nice. Yeah, it's dark. There

Sarah:

Oh, Jesus. Okay. Okay.

Chris:

we are. Hi! Here we are back. yes. I care. they were really nice. they let me try on every single pair of frames that they have in order to find the ones that look nice. We

Sarah:

Where did you go to the eye doctor before that they gave you like a limit? You can only try on three, three frames.

Chris:

it wasn't so much that I had a limit. It was that I was there with Olivia. And,

Sarah:

okay. Okay.

Chris:

and I was like, what about these? And she was like, that's

Sarah:

fine. They're terrible. Fine. Terrible. Fine.

Chris:

so J and Roy and Jess, yes. And Karen helped me pick out like cool, hip, trendy glasses. they helped me pick out glasses that would be good for the computer. And I got some super cool, what do you call them? Sunglasses, prescription sunglasses. And, they will just price things, as well as they can with your insurance. So all around from this experience, just makes me happy.

Sarah:

it. I Karen, if I lived closer, I promise I would go there, but, I don't live closer. it's not that far, but. There's a closer eye doctor that I've been going to, so I'm just going to keep that going.

Chris:

and, just as a quick update, I had to cancel my Botox appointment,

Sarah:

I feel like that was the right choice.

Chris:

And it might have been because there was a speaker yesterday who had a lot of work done. And

Sarah:

too

Chris:

I was like, that is a very face. And I was like, maybe I just let mine do what it's doing. And

Sarah:

think it's all about, restraint. I think I'm all for the Botox, but I feel like you need to know when it's too much.

Chris:

this was a lot of here.

Sarah:

Yeah. When your lips are, yeah, no, it's

Chris:

I

Sarah:

when you look, okay. I

Chris:

didn't have,

Sarah:

even describe

Chris:

I didn't have lip. I didn't have much lip to begin with. anyway. All right. so that's my shout out. do you want to, what are we doing next? Quit making duck faces at me.

Sarah:

you just tried to pull back because you were going to say what we're going to do next. And you were like, I'm not driving. I'm not leading the charge.

Chris:

I'm the passenger princess.

Sarah:

like, you could totally lead. It's fine. I was just, I was just doing it because, you said that because you literally said you'll have to carry us. but I'm totally fine with you

Chris:

I'm done. I'm not, I didn't even pull up the sheet. What's next on it.

Sarah:

Cause we didn't, I wrote one thing on it. I'm just go, I'm just going with it. which I think is great. Growing up, Gaster is actually, do we, where are we on time? How long? Oh, we're good. We're good. We're good. Um, this weekend. Oh yeah. When we were at the rivers, we decided to have some dinner and our friend Aaron said, Oh, I love this one. One of my other, one of my monitors goes blank for a little bit. Like I like when it's

Chris:

Screws up your lighting.

Sarah:

It's fucking fantastic. anyway, Aaron asked, Have you guys ever been to Gettysburg? which Sissy and I responded with laughter

Chris:

Like a lot of it,

Sarah:

Aaron just sat there Oh, I don't know what that means.

Chris:

She said it like, oh, wouldn't it be so fun you had gone to Gettysburg? No,

Sarah:

Nope. I feel like in my adulthood, I really would like to go to Gettysburg, but I also feel like, I have to wait till my child is an adult.

Chris:

so when we were little, jumbo's big into history and, we didn't go on a bunch of big, fancy vacations. but my parents took us to Gettysburg a couple of times. Cause you got to kill two birds with one stone. you got to go someplace where jumbo could learn about history and look at fields and stuff. of grass where battles have taken place. there were no battles like when we were there. Just to clarify, there's nothing happening at Gettysburg now. It's just a field. Lots of farm country. no one is carrying like pitchers of water to wounded Union soldiers.

Sarah:

No,

Chris:

no My internet looks unstable

Sarah:

it's fine. You've been fuzzy the whole time, but I think we've already determined that doesn't matter

Chris:

okay yeah, so there's no horses There's no what there's no guys and unless you're there for a reenactment and they didn't you didn't really go for that

Sarah:

amazingly, but okay.

Chris:

it, nothing was happening there. but, my, my dad somehow convinced my mom to go because this was, like, the 80s. And, my mom had heard about, bed and breakfasts.

Sarah:

No early eight, it would have to be early eighties. Cause I had to be, I'm pretty sure I was like seven at the most.

Chris:

yeah, it was early 80s. and my mom had heard about these bed and breakfast things. And, you, she was like, we're going to a bed and breakfast and that'll be so nice. And she must have seen pictures of it. And if you can only imagine the, the amount of mauve that was used to decorate the bed and breakfast, and the number of colonial blue pillows that were on the bed.

Sarah:

And lots of wreaths. There was lots of wreaths with baby's breath and shit.

Chris:

number. Of pillows, and there was furniture that was complimentary pink, perhaps what this hotel did not have was a bathroom for us, a private bathroom. We shared that it was down the hall and it also did not have a swimming pool.

Sarah:

a television.

Chris:

I forgot it didn't have a TV.

Sarah:

Yeah, that was my big thing. I was very upset by this whole thing. You read books and shit. I did not.

Chris:

was right. so where were you were seven and I was 12 we were like,

Sarah:

in that range.

Chris:

when are we swimming? Where are we swimming? I don't is the pool outside and they didn't have a television. Like maybe they did have a television in the common area, but there was also a dude about history. Yeah.

Sarah:

Yeah. there may, there was one TV that I was aware of and It was. like the lady who ran the place in her grandma's room or some shit, like it was like this big and you could get one station. And I remember they were like, yeah, she can, I guess I think mommy was like, is there a TV or something I can get this girl in front of? I want to read my book. And I remember they put me in that room to watch said TV, but there was the only thing on it was a baseball game. So if you can imagine my horror, because, and I apologize to anyone who loves the game of baseball. It's great. I love nachos and beer. I don't, I'm not a huge fan of, especially at the age of seven. I was like, wow, the only thing worse than not having a TV is having a TV that only plays fucking baseball. yeah. Oh,

Chris:

dad took us out like the next day. we somehow made it through a night there. there was a guy talking about the battles and my dad went down there and we all went down to watch. And, it was really just this guy talking about, The generals and what their strategies and plans were, and in my dad is a history buff, but there was also another guy there, another history guy, and the other history guy was like, how do you feel about the context of the southern armies and the strategic precision of Lee?

Sarah:

wah,

Chris:

And my dad looked at that guy and went, Alright, kids. that was, that was how long we stayed there for that until another guy was smarter than Jumba.

Sarah:

we're out. Peace.

Chris:

And then, the good thing is that the next day he took us to, to where all the battles were. And, I mean there were towers and he's Alright, we're gonna climb up this tower. I'm gonna tell you about the battle of the, Big

Sarah:

Big horn.

Chris:

matter Here's what we're gonna go to the devil's den and I was like, that'll be exciting because it's now Exciting. You know what it is?

Sarah:

sure I shrieked. I was probably crying.

Chris:

I don't want to go. You were upset. You don't want to go to the devil's den. And I was like, if she's that upset about it, it's gotta be, it's going to be fantastic. it's a bunch of, it's four rocks piled together and that's the devil's den.

Sarah:

Yeah.

Chris:

yeah, these were not, but Aaron was very excited to hear if we had been to Gettysburg. Yeah.

Sarah:

Mm hmm.

Chris:

I think that the end of the Gettysburg vacation is where we wrecked the minivan. might have, I might be mixing.

Sarah:

I feel like that's correct. That is correct. That was just the cherry on top. On

Chris:

then we were in a car accident on the way

Sarah:

the turnpike. I'm pretty sure that was it. That was it. We were, we ended up facing traffic, facing oncoming traffic on the turnpike.

Chris:

was a

Sarah:

hanging out there. Yeah. it was rough. It was rough. I'm assuming now that you're, now that you're. On your phone that you're done with that.

Chris:

I have to put my fingernails on before I go downstairs for breakfast, and if I don't do it now, I won't have time.

Sarah:

Oh, okay. Okay. all So that's growing up gaster. So now we're onto mental health stuff. I did have a note here about the fall slash autumn blues.

Chris:

Oh yeah, this is hitting Olivia pretty hard right now. Actually,

Sarah:

Yeah. Yeah. and I had a note here. what are they and what can we do to beat them? I know what they are.

Chris:

feel like. You just said what they are.

Sarah:

It's pretty obvious. Yeah. Yeah. and I, they like right now, it seems to be the time. Excuse me for these, at least in Pennsylvania, because it is shitty outside. it has turned shitty. the leaves are a fallen and it is gloomy. and when this first happens, I'm all about it. Like I like it. I'm like, all right, I'm done with the sun. I would like a little bit of gloom.

Chris:

I'm going to get my sweaters out. I'm going to pull out the pumpkin spice candle.

Sarah:

I'm all about let's switch into fall but then like after a week of it. I'm like, wow, this is pretty fucking sad,

Chris:

is it getting dark at six o'clock?

Sarah:

right? And it just gets So it is it's the seasonal depression

Chris:

into it.

Sarah:

do we do to beat it? did not do my homework on this part.

Chris:

I should, I'm not going to be super helpful because usually what I do is just lean in. I'd lean into the fall. I'm like, all right, it's fall. Let's let's get some pumpkins going. Let's watch Halloween baking championship. I'd love it.

Sarah:

Yeah. To be honest, I, and I think I wrote this down cause I was like, wait a second, what? Because I don't really, the sadness, the seasonal depression is really only, even though we have, multiple seas, actually I think we only have two seasons anymore. It's fucking summer or winter. But normally, I don't really get into that depression until January, February is when that shit hits me, and it normally hits me pretty hard by February, and, that's when I really have trouble with it, but, the fall, I'm a fall person, I like the fall,

Chris:

I also know

Sarah:

with

Chris:

that apple cider, tends to help things, catching,

Sarah:

the apple cider.

Chris:

catching a soccer game, like you're doing this all the time though. But I feel like watching a soccer game kind of gets me out of the depression.

Sarah:

Fall soccer is a happy place for me. when I get into it, like in the February time, I think the biggest thing is just to be aware of it. I think that's the biggest thing that's helped me is to know that, Ooh, that's going to be coming up soon. So I'm going to need to prepare for this. So to make sure that, we have our. what are they called? Routines or habits, having those habits, you like in a good mind space. which is super challenging at that time of year, but, I'm finding right now that just my morning workout, if I don't do that, I'm like a little bit just one little thing, like one little thing, that's why I was a little late this morning because I slept 12 hours and I was like, fuck, I'm not going to be able to work out. And I was like, nope. I'm gonna have to push back a little bit because I gotta get on the treadmill. And when I say workout, like I feel like that's a loose thing there. Like I had, I have to at least walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes

Chris:

Great. I'm not lifting weights. I'm not cross fit. Now,

Sarah:

yeah. I've been adding little weights and when I say little weights, like three pound weights, that's my, it's my limit right now. yesterday I, it was rainy. But Owen had soccer practice in the morning and that's on the weekends when I get my walk in. I was like, I loved playing soccer in the rain so I could walk in the rain. It's fine. Playing soccer in the rain and walking in the rain are very different activities. when I got out of the car, it was like a mist. I'm like, alright. what happens when you walk in the mist for a half hour? it like, it's like, It builds up. I've dripping off my nose, my hair, I'm like, what is going on? It's cold. It's also, it wasn't really, it was like 65 degrees, but when you're wet and it's 65 degrees, it was, I was like, all right, looking at my watch. Like when is my exercise ring going to close? When is my exercise ring going to close? So treadmill it is during rainy season.

Chris:

did yoga twice in the hotel room,

Sarah:

oh good.

Chris:

and my friend Ken asked me if I wanted to run the 5k with him tomorrow. There's a 5k that goes along with this, Conference and I was like, I, why don't you just come and do yoga with me?'cause he is a very tall, black guy.

Sarah:

Oh,

Chris:

So I wanna see him

Sarah:

makes him good at yoga?

Chris:

I just wanna see him come to yoga with me. I don't think I have to tell anyone that the, it's very hard to blend in if you're real tall and especially if you are a minority at one of these things.

Sarah:

Oh

Chris:

if you were not, if you were not an old bald white guy with glasses, it's really hard to blend in,

Sarah:

geez. Sounds like I'd fit in really well.

Chris:

right? blonde hair and blue eyes will convince anyone to do anything.

Sarah:

yeah, so the seasonal depression, I feel like, getting a little tiny workout in on a daily basis is always good. Making sure you're continuing to talk to people is always good. I always find that's how that's the first thing that I do, that fucks me up a little bit is I just, pull back from everything and everyone and don't talk to anybody. And then that, that just goes down a bad road. I think continuing to keep social even just a little bit by talking to your sister every day or

Chris:

podcast once a week.

Sarah:

yeah, that's always a good thing.

Chris:

Yeah, Olivia sent me a text and she's cause they had some storms in Raleigh. I don't know if you heard.

Sarah:

Maybe.

Chris:

there was a hurricane thingy, but it was like west of the city, but also there were some tornadoes. So I'm texting her like all day on Friday. I'm like, you're okay. Are you all right? just tell me that you're safe. I know you were supposed to go to Asheville, but I know now that Asheville is in ruins. hopefully you're not there. Let me know if you're, let me know you're not there. she didn't respond until four in the afternoon. And she's yeah, just, suffering from a little seasonal depression. like, Oh, keep talking to people and keep doing little things that bring you joy. go get yourself a pumpkin spice latte. If you like go get yourself a nice chai. you're my 10 Starbucks gift card is your 10 Starbucks gift card, which speaking of that, I stopped by one of these vendors today and pick up my 10 Starbucks gift card. I have

Sarah:

but get out of the house get out of the house get out of your room go get your nails did, your hair did. I don't, something you find enjoyable. Those things I don't, getting my hair done, I find slightly enjoyable, mostly because I like the, my friend who does my hair, but, yeah, find something that just makes you smile and do it every once in a while. Make sure you're continuing to get out of the house. Don't get stuck in the house. Whereas today I woke up and was like, wow, I don't have to leave the house at all today. Bingo.

Chris:

to, I have to be in a very crowded, place. convention center.

Sarah:

Oh, that's too bad. You like that though.

Chris:

I have

Sarah:

You get to talk about shit that you know.

Chris:

of

Sarah:

You like that.

Chris:

if

Sarah:

You like that. don't try to pull your shit on me. You like that.

Chris:

I get down there and I get talking, then I'll be fine. But the prelude, the leading up to it, I'm like, I don't want to do it like yesterday. I almost didn't go. I was like, I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go.

Sarah:

yeah.

Chris:

I don't want to go. I don't want to do this. It's a Sunday for God's sake.

Sarah:

Yeah, that sucks. Sunday working blows.

Chris:

Want to do it. But

Sarah:

that I ever do it, but

Chris:

It was really good. we talked about patients in clinical research and how we expand access to clinical trials because traditionally you don't get a lot of different people in clinical trials. You don't get a lot of underserved populations. You don't get a lot of diversity. Are you sleeping? wake up. I'm done. Anyway,

Sarah:

first of all when you said patience, I thought you meant like patience like Understanding and calming and like you have to have a lot of patience with people Then I realized you were talking about actual patience and then I fell asleep

Chris:

participate in some clinical trials. People make the world a better

Sarah:

get out there. Amen Is there something I can participate in where they'll pay me money?

Chris:

actually a big topic of conversation yesterday is how much, how unethical it might be to pay people. but also how unethical it is to not pay people. So it's a very interesting, topic and, no one in that room was qualified to talk about it. nothing, nobody was an ethics expert, so it's just an interesting kind of quandary. Some countries let you pay for patients. if you want to, if you want to do like a healthy volunteer study. Like they'll pay you for that for your time. They'll compensate you, not pay you.

Sarah:

okay There's terminology that you have to properly use

Chris:

Yeah, I guess it just seemed like semantics to me. I'm like, you're going to give me 50 bucks to participate that's to compensate me. And I'm supposed to understand the difference between you paying me and compensating me. And I'm 14. I'm like, great. Great. Oh, you're going to get a stuffed duck. amazing. I'm seven.

Sarah:

love a stuffed duck.

Chris:

Great. anyway, so yeah, that's what I did yesterday and I was really happy that I went, cause it ended up being really good.

Sarah:

always how it goes. that's with everything in life that I have to leave the house for. I'm typically like, Ugh. I don't want to go. I don't want to leave the house. And then it ends up being fun, most of the time. except for when I get to the gynecologist. That's not super fun.

Chris:

Nobody likes that.

Sarah:

Don't really ever want to go there. It's not fun for anyone really. Okay. so that's it that's that's a little bit about the fall blues and Patients in clinical trials.

Chris:

There we go. Journey.

Sarah:

like to note that we have been talking about for weeks and how that's what 10 percent happier will bring us. and it will eventually, but we're going slowly through 10 percent happier right now. So we're not getting to meditation just yet and I'm not sure maybe we have said this, but 10 percent happier, it's a lot of it is about Dan Harris's, the, Trip to meditation. What's the word? I'm looking for a trip to That's it. That's it So it's a lot about his background and what led him to meditation. So we are only on chapter two, which is more of Dan's background Story and how he came to meditation so We are not meditating yet. I am getting more excited about the meditation and in Chapter two there was mention of David Muir who if there's someone I'm a little bit more in love with than Dan Harris It's David Muir. So Yeah, I could just sit there this like just dreamy

Chris:

Great. Tell me more about the disaster.

Sarah:

Yeah, and listen him say smart things and just Yay Anyway, do you remember chapter 2 or did you read it again?

Chris:

I didn't read it again, but refresh my memory. What happens in chapter two?

Sarah:

Chapter 2 is when Dan gets into his assignment his spirituality assignment from Peter Jennings and so a little bit about and his background There really wasn't much Like his mom sat him down when he was nine and said, listen, there's no Santa or God. done. I was like, wow, that's really aggressive, but okay.

Chris:

she's very, she's a busy lady. She had to be succinct.

Sarah:

and pretty much I mean he starts the chapter talking about what he his original thoughts on organized religion And he said I thought organized religion was bunk and that all believers whether jazz about Jesus or jihad Must be to some extent cognitively impaired So,

Chris:

impaired.

Sarah:

Fair enough.

Chris:

a great person to do a religious segment.

Sarah:

Yeah. And I'm pretty sure that he told Peter Jennings this and Peter, of course, didn't listen to him at all and was like, all right, get on your way. so I, the person who really opened him up to having a bit more of a, open mind, when I say opened up, but yeah, was Ted Haggard. Do you know anything about Ted Haggard?

Chris:

he was a, he was the preacher. he was a evangelical preacher and he had, like a semi mega church.

Sarah:

Yeah. Yeah. He had a big ass church. And, when Dan Harris first met him, he was like, wow, what the fuck? what's this guy do? Like crazy. But, he started talking to him and he was the first guy like. Evangelical individual that Dan talked to that was like, wow, this guy's actually like real about it. Like he's not like overly Being obnoxious about it and like just throwing things at you constantly and telling you this is what you have to listen to blah blah blah and he's the first person that he had conversations with That he wanted to reach out to It further at other times after this to ask for, like

Chris:

right.

Sarah:

real thoughts. Yeah. and he says that after talking to Ted Haggard, he had the realization that he was being a pretty judgmental and, unfair. And coming up with uninformed conclusions about faith and about organized religion and whatnot. So I thought that was cool in itself, but then the biggest thing I took out of this, which I thought was pretty awesome is, and I'm going to read this. He said, I don't have to agree. here is my chance to get under the hood and understand what is going on. This could help shed light on religion instead of heat. So I thought it was cool that he came in like completely opposed to organize religion and was like, this is fucking bullshit. You guys are morons. But then up to it and was like, oh, wait a second. I have the opportunity to understand a little bit. Even though I might not agree with it, at least I can see the perspectives and understand why other people do agree with it and are such large of it, So I thought that was just cool, especially with things in our lives now as they are that some of what actually say, Hey, I don't have to agree, but I can listen and try to understand a little bit better. that was cool. I have a lot more notes here. Just wondering if you had anything to say. Cause I felt like I was taken over. much more to get to when it comes to Ted Haggard.

Chris:

I feel like that's just the, that's just the briefest introduction to our friend Pastor Ted.

Sarah:

Yeah. Mm

Chris:

it is a, I found that whole story fascinating that someone like Ted Haggard could come up with. Could open up, Dan Harris's eyes, right? Somebody like Ted Haggard could be like, Hey, come in and take a look and be very magnanimous and gregarious and engaging and then be a complete fraud.

Sarah:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will say one thing that I also liked. So there was, damn it. Why didn't I write his name down? another journalist that was assigned to this stuff with Dan who, also was not a person of faith. he's, what the hell was his name? I I, why didn't I write it down? he was gay. I say was, he is gay. so of course that had something to do with his thoughts. I'm sure. but he's the one he's. At the same time that Dan had started talking with Ted, he's the one who was like, Hey, you're just doing fluff pieces on this. you're just pointing out things that you think are ridiculous. wow, look at these people doing this ridiculous thing in organized religion, like you're not really taking it too seriously to the point where like we can start digging into it and making people think and. things to light that people wouldn't normally think about. So he had something to do with that as well. Are you looking up his name or are you looking up something else?

Chris:

that's what I'm looking up his name.

Sarah:

Okay, because I really, I'm really pissed off at myself for not it or writing it down because I feel like he had a lot to do with this. But the reason I bring him up is because that Dan made the statement that throughout all of their, reporting, all of their research and speaking with people of the church of faith. Most of them, I'm going to throw out a percentage, like 95 percent of them would ask, or if they would ask, are you guys believers or whatever? And they'd say, no. And the majority of them were like, okay, but here's what we're about. And nobody was ever like really judgmental with them about it. like overall their experience with most individuals that they, interviewed or had interaction with about organized religion were awesome people that were accepting of their non believing without shoving belief down their throats. is something I thought was like important to point out because I believe that Dan was like that's not what I expected people to be like, and why not? okay, then you can't come in here then you're not gonna and it was quite the opposite.

Chris:

do you have anything in there about father Keating? I can't remember if that was in there or not.

Sarah:

know.

Chris:

I can't remember the story honestly. And it won't tell me the colleague. the colleagues

Sarah:

get back to it. but damn it. Oh, here's one that he just came. he makes mention of, this is after we find out a little more about Ted, but he said, the one thing about Ted was he helped me become utterly at ease around people who said, God bless you. Even when I hadn't sneezed.

Chris:

I think that's Ted's big contribution is that he makes it okay to be for, I think, for Dan Harris, Ted makes it okay to be around religious, Quote unquote, religious slash spiritual people where he wasn't, he always had a, an aversion. He liked to find like the salacious religious people and debunk what they were doing. Like the, he thought that's what the assignment was. And then I think he meets Ted and it, the assignment sort of flips and changes and it turns into something where, it may be, maybe it's okay to think more about a spiritual. spiritual path. I

Sarah:

thing. I didn't fucking write this down either, but I remember him saying it. I think it comes not too long after this. Oh, I'm going to say it wrong because I'm going to pronounce it phonetically, Wanbo. W O N B O. Look it up. That's his last name. Or maybe that's his first name. the guy that he was reporting with. anyway. Is that really his name? Wombo Wu? I

Chris:

love Wonzo. Is that how you pronounce

Sarah:

Is that how you

Chris:

feel like that's too That's

Sarah:

too simple.

Chris:

how they pronounced it when I listened to the audiobook.

Sarah:

Fantastic. All right, so that's him. Anyway, that's really what it's about is about Dan coming to this place where he's he wants to more Spiritual

Chris:

and spiritual.

Sarah:

based what's the word I'm looking for? I wonder how many times I say that in an episode. What's the word I'm looking for?

Chris:

Is it path?

Sarah:

you go. There you go.

Chris:

die?

Sarah:

It, there you go. same. and then he starts talking about, when like now his, he's, oh, then Peter Jennings dies. That's more than just a book. That's like a whole life of a book. I just love it. And I helped make them come out and they were like, But you have to continue for 20 years, and then you try and I was like, what about this is a good book. And I didn't even do a script. I'd say it was, I'd say it was like the first thing I saw when I literally saw the manga. there. people coming in like David Muir

Chris:

great.

Sarah:

and Ed, what's his name? Bob Woodruff, whose story is insane as well. but there's more people coming in like that. And he's how much he knows, like he respects these people and they're his friends and he wants them to do well, he still has that. what was it? The thing his dad said, the price of security is insecurity. He still has that. That feeling that he, he needs to beat them to the next story or whatever it is, or grab onto that next story and whatnot. so it comes back to that. but then he talks about, Ted Haggard and his fall from grace.

Chris:

So if you guys don't know, Ted Haggard was, actually, he was a gay man and, he was also an evangelical preacher. He's still a gay

Sarah:

not gay.

Chris:

he was,

Sarah:

what he says.

Chris:

he was hanging out with a male escort, but he,

Sarah:

doing some meth, doing the male escort. and he tried at first he did, he tried his hardest to deny it. that didn't go well, like to the point where Dan Harris says in the book, he was asked about it by a reporter, like whatever the guy's name was. Smith, whatever it was, who was the escort. And, he was like, no, I, no, I never had gay relationship with anybody. What did you say his name was? But of course, they have them on video. They have them on tape. They have all sorts of, there's no way you can deny it. So he eventually responsibility for what he's done. his wife stays with him then Dan actually got the first interview with him. all was said and done and just like Dan had a lot of trouble with it because he was like, wow, I've never been so blindsided. Like I've just shocked, like

Chris:

You're supposed to be the good guy. You're supposed to be the

Sarah:

having trouble with it. Yeah. Having trouble with it. But there's still a part of him that, again, for all of his, I don't know, for all of his lies that he credits Ted with bringing him to a place where he was still open to learning more about a spiritual path or journey. There's that word, those words, whatever it is. So he still credits him with that. I could talk more about Ted Haggard and more about the shit that happened to him, but I don't think that's really what it's about. It's,

Chris:

Yeah.

Sarah:

he is in this chapter because. brought Dan to a place that opened up his mind a bit from something that he was very much close to.

Chris:

Like he was in fit. Ooh, I don't want to be around anything that's religious or spiritual to something that, yeah, that guy is a human being. And just because you're an evangelical preacher doesn't mean that you're completely infallible and that's okay. Like we can have a spiritual connection to something without it being connected to a perfect people. And I think maybe that's what Dan takes out of it. That.

Sarah:

Yeah.

Chris:

All right.

Sarah:

Yeah. And I think that makes sense. and I think another thing, like coming to the realization, oh, probably the reason he was a little bit more, I don't know, because of his own struggle. maybe he wasn't quite as overzealous as some of the other people were. but then again, there's, but there's more to that I have in my brain that has nothing to do with this. Cause I also think that people are overzealous. Yeah, because do have to fight harder against things or they're probably doing bad things So you could cut all this out because this is going deeper into

Chris:

we're, I am going to cut all this out. We need to have

Sarah:

that have absolutely nothing

Chris:

happier.

Sarah:

anyway, but so in chapter two, he also meets bianca And I love it. I love his realization that, Oh my goodness, there's someone in the world that I could actually care for and put their feelings and everything else above mine. Like never thought it would happen, was simply going out on this date to appease my friend Bob Woodruff and his wife, who's funny. and yeah, it's a cute little story. And again, has nothing to do with meditation or anything else, but it's just an adorable story.

Chris:

it does though. Like you, as you grow up, if you think about Dan Harris's little journey so far, like he was just some punk little reporter that was a dickhead in the office and then he gets the call up to the big leagues and then he does, some amazing stuff. and gets addicted to that adrenaline that goes along with it and then does the self medicating thing for a little bit. it's, I feel like it's not a universal story, but one that a lot of us can relate to. yeah, when you're a kid, you're all like, Piss and vinegar. And yeah, like David mirror comes into my office and I'm Dan Harris. I'm like, I'm going to kill that MFR, suck a dick, David mirror, like good luck. Back early in my career, yeah, no, I'm just gonna, I'm just going to be ruthless and try to take you out. and then, learning a little bit more about, about who I am as a person and beginning to take some of these spiritual journey steps. And then understanding that other people need to be a part of your life if you're gonna, if you're gonna continue to grow. So I like it. I like the Bianca story. I like the taking the lessons where they're presented. I think it all leads into sort of all of these tiny things in these little decisions in these little encounters are similar to ones that other people have had, it's all very relatable on a different scale. Obviously I'm not a disgraced evangelical preacher. I'm meeting somebody in my career. That's just. Kindhearted,

Sarah:

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's all leading up to just opening up of, opening up off your mind and realization that there's more out there than just you. And that self centered focus, and the last thing I wrote goes along with that. It's like opening up to the value of a viewpoint that's transcended the mundane.

Chris:

And having the realization and looking around and understanding that even if David mirror is more successful than me, even if somebody is better in their career, doesn't make me less. It doesn't make me worth not as much. And how do I figure out how to find the good things in myself and Make them more present and more prevalent. So I think that is a lot of, that's a lot of the preamble for me is, yeah, that stuff's completely relatable. I was a punk kid. I was really driven to be successful. And then how do you turn that around to looking at, I don't need to have the whole world. I need to have. This part like it's not about everything that happens out here. It's about everything that happens in here. And that's what's That's what makes us better people. it's not going and delivering presentations at industry conferences. It's not That somebody else gets fired Because I don't I'm not number one at work. it's about me being okay with myself and okay with the people who are the closest to me.

Sarah:

So there you have it. That's chapter two. I think that next week, maybe we go chapter three and four.

Chris:

Let's do it. Let's get to the meditation.

Sarah:

next week, how about you, how about you carry us? I like that way better.

Chris:

would be happy to.

Sarah:

I don't like, and I think you like it better too. So let's just get back to what we like.

Chris:

I think this worked out good. I'm

Sarah:

I think it worked out well. I think, yeah, I did two weeks in a row where I actually did like my homework.

Chris:

super proud. and that's what makes us a good team. I need to go fix my hair.

Sarah:

let me share one more thing I did. Honestly, I wasn't, I've always wanted, like I wanted to get into 10 percent happier, but I was a little bit worried. Cause I know you told me that it was more of His past and whatnot about him, which I mean, I love him, but I wanted to get into the meditation. So I was like, eh, but I absolutely love the whole process so far. And, I haven't fallen asleep, like when I'm trying to read it and I'm actually enjoying it. So I feel like that's a big deal.

Chris:

Yeah, it's going to be, when we get to start saying, jubu, I think it gets a lot better.

Sarah:

Oh, wow. Okay. Awesome. Can't wait. go fix your hair and have fun at your conference and doing your presentation and all that fun stuff and I love you and I love everybody that listens and continue to listen. Please

Chris:

Alright, yes! Love you, bye!

Sarah:

love you. Bye

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